Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[newyork13]

I'm mad all the time about all this.
From my standpoint, it's about our American culture of Puritanism and Nannyism.
After living in the UK for a couple of the last 5 years, and this summer spending half of it in Rome, the cultural differences about vaping are striking.
There are some objective people and objective reporting, but it's rare. There was an article in the 11/2 NYTimes which I have some issues with, but is a step in the right direction. [I think you can read it on line, but not sure.] Maybe there's some hope.

 

[seminolewind]

Yea I get angry too. I hope our FDA friends ending up drowning in that swamp as well. You know some underhanded sh*t is going on when the government has to spend their time battling glycerin or PG, food flavoring , and nicotine . There's really nothing illegal about making it, owning it, -it's so benign , attainable at the supermarket except the nicotine. The FDA and BT will find themselves losing billions of dollars and letting people die because they can't make money off vaping products. Too bad, eh? That's the problem.

I read this article on BT's safer less harmful way of "smoking". Their product puts tobacco in something and heats it up. What a bunch of turds.

 

[seminolewind]

I hope the judges that may be present or in the future will see the stupidity in this, labeling benign juice as being worse than smoking. It's a joke. There's nothing suspicious about it. In a less ignorant world, this vaping would not even be a question. None of the stuff here is illegal. I still get the "antifreeze" comments. Vaping is no more attractive to kids than smoking is . How can deeming regulations on products you know nothing about except fo heresay? Not good enough.

 

[seminolewind]

It appears that the Gov. is all corrupt. Every day there's something new that is discovered and shows the corruption. I hope the FDA gets their share as with. It's all about money.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

FDA's Establishment Registration and Product Listing Deadline is Fast Approaching - Are You Prepared?

THESE ARE NOT TOBACCO PRODUCTS! And folks will say; yes but nicotine. To that I say, so following that logic any product with caffeine is a coffee product?!? So my tea is made of coffee?!? My mt dew is made of coffee?!? I know that I'm preaching to the choir but hey...

 

[Eskie]

FDA's Establishment Registration and Product Listing Deadline is Fast Approaching - Are You Prepared?

I'm prepared. My freezer is stocked and my stash is all fleshed out. Still buying hardware I like for as long as I still can.

 

[hittman]

I've set a budget each month for buying tanks and mods. I've got a liter and a half of nic on hand but will buy a lot more as the deadline gets closer.

 

[seminolewind]

FDA's Establishment Registration and Product Listing Deadline is Fast Approaching - Are You Prepared?

THESE ARE NOT TOBACCO PRODUCTS! And folks will say; yes but nicotine. To that I say, so following that logic any product with caffeine is a coffee product?!? So my tea is made of coffee?!? My my dew is made of coffee?!? I know that I'm preaching to the choir but hey...

This has been the mega thorn. I fail to see that glycerin, pg, food flavoring and nicotine is anything like smoking tobacco unless it looks like it so then it is. I hate the fact that they can actually take common supermarket items and deem them tobacco derived, and the hardware deemed tobacco derived by intent. These people need to retire. I'm surprised that people aren't laughing along with us. Oh yea, we are supposedly vaping antifreeze.

 

[seminolewind]

What exactly does this mean? We can buy imported goods and use them? Like we can buy e-juice from China but not manufactured here? Is that protecting my health?


Per Section 900(20) (21 U.S.C. 287(20)) of the TCA, a tobacco product manufacturer means "any person, including any repacker or relabeler, (A) who manufactures, fabricates, assembles, processes, or labels a tobacco product; or (B) imports a finished tobacco product for sale or distribution in the United States." FDA's guidance document states, however, that an importer who does not own or operate "domestic establishments engaged in manufacturing tobacco products" is not subject to the registration and listing requirements. Accordingly, only domestic U.S. establishments engaged in the manufacture, compounding, repackaging, relabeling or processing of finished tobacco products are required to register their facilities and provide product information. This means e-liquid and e-vapor device manufacturers, including vape shops that mix, bottle, assemble or label their own products, located in the United States must register their manufacturing establishments with FDA by the end of the year. As noted, this requirement does not currently apply to foreign manufacturing establishments.

Therefore, if you are both a domestic manufacturer and produce finished tobacco products, you must register your U.S. manufacturing facility as directed by FDA by December 31, 2016. Registration instructions are provided below. The information required by FDA includes:

 

[Chris863]

So by December 31st we all need to stock up? Personally I would like to be on the cautious side and get everything at least by the middle of December. It could really be madness come late December everyone trying to restock what they need at the same time. When I found out about all this around August I starting preparing but was planning on taking advantage of Black Friday sales to really stock up for years to come, need to take an inventory of what I have/ what I need... This sucks didn't realize how great we had it for all these years, only vaping about 4 years personally but come next year everything will skyrocket in price think that's the biggest fear everyone has. I originally switched to vaping from cigarettes because it saves me over 100 bucks a month to vape. After these regulations who knows how expensive it will be to maintain a vaping habit

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

What exactly does this mean? We can buy imported goods and use them? Like we can buy e-juice from China but not manufactured here? Is that protecting my health?

Nope the foreign vendors do not get licensed in US, but you can bet your sweet bippie that customs will inspect everything and we probably will never receive any packages from overseas from places like FT, gearbest, hg's. The well known ones anyway. And if caught who knows what will happen.

 

[Mazinny]

So by December 31st we all need to stock up?

As far as consumers are concerned, nothing changes from Dec 31, 2016 to Jan 1, 2017.

This is a requirement for U.S. vendors that are considered manufacturers per Tobacco Control Act and the deeming regulations, to register their facilities and to provide a detailed listing of all products manufactured to the FDA. For example, if you produce a line of ejuice, you must register your facility and give a complete list of all the juices you produce to the FDA by Dec 31. By August 2017, they are required to provide a listing of all constituent ingredients of the eliquids as well ( i.e. Pg, vg, nicotine, and all the different flavoring concentrates used )

 

[Chris863]

As far as consumers are concerned, nothing changes from Dec 31, 2016 to Jan 1, 2017.

This is a requirement for U.S. vendors that are considered manufacturers per Tobacco Control Act and the deeming regulations, to register their facilities and to provide a detailed listing of all products manufactured to the FDA. For example, if you produce a line of ejuice, you must register your facility and give a complete list of all the juices you produce to the FDA by Dec 31. By August 2017, they are required to provide a listing of all constituent ingredients of the eliquids as well ( i.e. Pg, vg, nicotine, and all the different flavoring concentrates used )

Doesn't this mean vendors will have to raise prices though because of the regulations? This was always my biggest worry is that once regulation begins prices will start to increase because of taxes or something of the sort. Tobacco control act sounds like something that involves taxing businesses selling what they consider tobacco products even though we all agree vaping and its products are obviously not tobacco products.

Besides nicotine usp i dont understand why mods and tanks and flavorings vg and pg are getting regulated? One can argue these technically are not tobacco products because not everyone vapes nicotine in their ejuice! This is all absurd. I can remember last year at this time all the new mods and rtas and so much innovation every few months. Now nothing new can come out after this past August 8th and please correct me if I'm wrong but after dec 31st won't a liter of nicotine skyrocket in price, I thought that was why everyone is stocking up and putting bottles in the freezer!

 

[Buckeyevapen]

As far as consumers are concerned, nothing changes from Dec 31, 2016 to Jan 1, 2017.

This is a requirement for U.S. vendors that are considered manufacturers per Tobacco Control Act and the deeming regulations, to register their facilities and to provide a detailed listing of all products manufactured to the FDA. For example, if you produce a line of ejuice, you must register your facility and give a complete list of all the juices you produce to the FDA by Dec 31. By August 2017, they are required to provide a listing of all constituent ingredients of the eliquids as well ( i.e. Pg, vg, nicotine, and all the different flavoring concentrates used )

This is correct. My goal with posting the article was not to insight anyone. But rather share the first official time that any vape product will be required to be registered as being made or derived from tobacco, not by some government agency but by themselves. This for me, makes it a very sad day.

 

[Mazinny]

This is correct. My goal with posting the article was not to insight anyone. But rather share the first official time that any vape product will be required to be registered as being made or derived from tobacco, not by some government agency but by themselves. This for me, makes it a very sad day.

I didn't read your post as fear mongering either, and i agree that regulating ecigarettes under the Tobacco Control Act is ridiculous. I merely responded to Chris' post to let him know that nothing happens on Dec 31, to necessitate urgent stocking up. whether he decides to stock up now, later, or never, is his decision.

Vape on !

 

[Mazinny]

Doesn't this mean vendors will have to raise prices though because of the regulations?

please correct me if I'm wrong but after dec 31st won't a liter of nicotine skyrocket in price, I thought that was why everyone is stocking up and putting bottles in the freezer!

It depends what you mean by " raising prices because of the regulations ". With the notable exception of PMTA application, the other requirements of the deeming regulations, do not justify raising prices imo. The PMTA application process on the other hand, is so costly that 99% of vendors won't be able to adhere to the requirements anyway, regardless of how much they raise their prices. If there are some vendors who think they have the financial muscle to navigate the PMTA process ( read Big Tobacco ), they will possibly ( likely ) raise prices to cover that cost. I don't anticipate it happening prior to Aug 2018 though, as they won't be able to compete with vendors who have no plan to file PMTA applications, but will stay int he market until August 2018 anyway.

As far as stocking up on nicotine now, it's clearly your decision. Personally i see no reason for a change to nicotine prices on Dec 31, just as i didn't on Aug 8. I haven't stocked up, but i don't fault those that have, if it buys them peace of mind. It's like buying an insurance policy !

 

[sofarsogood]

As far as stocking up on nicotine now, it's clearly your decision. Personally i see no reason for a change to nicotine prices on Dec 31, just as i didn't on Aug 8. I haven't stocked up, but i don't fault those that have, if it buys them peace of mind. It's like buying an insurance policy !

t's all about peace of mind. It helps that stocking is so cheap and practical. I'll never trust governments to leave my vaping alone so I'm going to have supplies no matter what happens with courts or congress.

 

[Slots]

t's all about peace of mind. It helps that stocking is so cheap and practical. I'll never trust governments to leave my vaping alone so I'm going to have supplies no matter what happens with courts or congress.

AMEN

 

[G-Fog]

I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting rooms of the decision makers in Govt, and the BT boardrooms, to hear what is actually being said.
Do they have our interests at heart at all, or is it just about the almighty buck?
Maybe we need an Edward Snowdon type wistleblower to come out and expose some of the goings on.
I for one would like to hear.

 

[G-Fog]

https://out.reddit.com/t3_4vr65e?ur...p_Z6XmtBlzT1WvUOloVJTTtTF&app_name=reddit.com
It looks like New Zealand is taking the right aproach.