Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Jingles]

I don't see how they are going to cash in when the companies close down? (See pvliquids, Nirvana, and Mr vape for a few examples). They are shooting themselves in the foot!

 

[LittleBird]

Yup! I got an email from PVLiquids, last week. They've opted to close down online sales. So infuriating!

 

[JustWondering1]

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25% OFF SITE-WIDE! shop now while you can, MasterCard will no longer be accepted as of 1/13/2016
If you haven't already heard, MasterCard has made some policy changes regarding the vape industry this last November which are going into effect on the 15th of this month. Most of the new requirements are reasonable, however one of the changes is very troubling, and has ultimately led us to drop them as an accepted payment method. To keep them, they would have us require Adult Signature on EVERY order paid for using their cards, regardless of whether the customer's age has been verified through a reputable paid age verification service. Why don't we just apply a rule set to MasterCard transactions and keep them? To put it simply, we can't. Our website and most others don't have control over the full checkout process enough to code such rules, therefore we would have to make a blanket requirement on all transactions though our website to require an adult signature, which would be a nightmare for both we and you.

Here is a link to an article about the issue, and here is a link to the petition to MasterCard you can join. Ultimately, the best petition is usually a boycott. After all, if you want something to go away, quit buying it. Personally, I will elect not to use my MasterCard credit card again until these policy changes are revoked.

In the mean time, enjoy the last 12 days that we will accept MasterCard at Lightning Vapes with this sale, and please spread the word! We will continue to accept VISA, American Express, Paypal, Amazon Payments, and very soon we will be accepting BitCoin!

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[Lessifer]

Maybe I Missed it? But where is the Connection to the Government(s) paying off CC Companies?

And Isn't this just an Example of MasterCard wanting to "Cash In" on the e-Cigarette Market?

I agree that I don't see anything about the government payoffs. This was an inevitable consequence of deeming vapor products as tobacco products.

 

[440BB]

Those of us who have been in denial that anything will change might notice this intrusion on our vaping.

Vaping Deeming Torture, eroding our choices drop by drop.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

Death by a thousand cuts.

I refuse to loose hope that the truth will overcome.

MC actions are a business consequence of deeming technology a plant.

 

[HBcorpse]

Maybe I Missed it? But where is the Connection to the Government(s) paying off CC Companies?

And Isn't this just an Example of MasterCard wanting to "Cash In" on the e-Cigarette Market?

I agree that I don't see anything about the government payoffs. This was an inevitable consequence of deeming vapor products as tobacco products.

Any time major companies make moves like this, that so closely align with the government's regulations, it's usually safe to assume the company got (or WILL get) some kind of incentive to do so.

Sure, I'm a "conspiracy nut", but I just can't close my mind to the idea that there are only a few people at the top of the food chain, pulling all the strings, simply to benefit themselves.

I'm 100% sure MasterFraud has something to gain, from some backdoor secret agreement.

Companies as large as they are, have no soul. They go where the money is. And these new "rules" mean that many vendors may have yet another reason to close down...and as some have just said here, that means MasterFraud loses money...so that's clearly not their incentive. There isn't a federal agency that mandated these "rules"...this was an elective change in operations.

Someone at the top got paid off to make this happen, especially in the face of a new presidential/governmental administration coming on to the field. They wanted to make sure the FDA's legacy of cutting vaping off at the knees will last as long as possible, once Trump starts taking a machete to all the crap regulations that went into effect during the last two presidential terms.

I am not, however, above admitting that I could be 50-100% wrong. :humble:

Just how I see it.

 

[Lessifer]

Any time major companies make moves like this, that so closely align with the government's regulations, it's usually safe to assume the company got (or WILL get) some kind of incentive to do so.

Sure, I'm a "conspiracy nut", but I just can't close my mind to the idea that there are only a few people at the top of the food chain, pulling all the strings, simply to benefit themselves.

I'm 100% sure MasterFraud has something to gain, from some backdoor secret agreement.

Companies as large as they are, have no soul. They go where the money is. And these new "rules" mean that many vendors may have yet another reason to close down...and as some have just said here, that means MasterFraud loses money...so that's clearly not their incentive. There isn't a federal agency that mandated these "rules"...this was an elective change in operations.

Someone at the top got paid off to make this happen, especially in the face of a new presidential/governmental administration coming on to the field. They wanted to make sure the FDA's legacy of cutting vaping off at the knees will last as long as possible, once Trump starts taking a machete to all the crap regulations that went into effect during the last two presidential terms.

I am not, however, above admitting that I could be 50-100% wrong. :humble:

Just how I see it.

I just don't think you have to look for a conspiracy. It's not about getting something, it's about protecting themselves from risk. Try to buy cigarettes online in the US using a credit card. Deeming vapor products as tobacco products just tipped over the first domino, there are scores of consequences of that action coming.

 

[DC2]

Or you could both be right.

 

[zoiDman]

Any time major companies make moves like this, that so closely align with the government's regulations, it's usually safe to assume the company got (or WILL get) some kind of incentive to do so.

Sure, I'm a "conspiracy nut", but I just can't close my mind to the idea that there are only a few people at the top of the food chain, pulling all the strings, simply to benefit themselves.

I'm 100% sure MasterFraud has something to gain, from some backdoor secret agreement.

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I think the Incentive is that MasterCard sees a way to make a quick 500 Smackaroos off Retailers. Something that before Deeming they might have been Challenged more Aggressively as a Discriminatory Practice.

Not defending MasterCard or say'n that I agree with what they are Doing. I just don't see this as some Subversives Plot by the Government to Undermine the e-Cigarette Industry.

And I think the FDA (and some State Legislations) are doing a Fine Job of that on their Own.

 

[zoiDman]

Next FDA Commissionaire?

Trump Is Considering Another Thiel Associate to Lead FDA

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I think the Incentive is that MasterCard sees a way to make a quick 500 Smackaroos off Retailers. Something that before Deeming they might have been Challenged more Aggressively as a Discriminatory Practice.

Not defending MasterCard or say'n that I agree with what they are Doing. I just don't see this as some Subversives Plot by the Government to Undermine the e-Cigarette Industry.

And I think the FDA (and some State Legislations) are doing a Fine Job of that on their Own.

Actually it is not mc that is doing that. It is the companies that actually do the transaction between vendors and mc. Got an email from LV that has an explanation. Let me see if I can find it......brb.


eta Don't think I can post the email(ecf rules) but Lightening Vapes has sent an email correcting their previous stance of dropping MC. They now say it is the Merchant Service Providers adding on the extra rules and prices.
So they changed who they have process their transactions and are keeping MC.

 

[zoiDman]

Actually it is not mc that is doing that. It is the companies that actually do the transaction between vendors and mc. Got an email from LV that has an explanation. Let me see if I can find it......brb.

Yeah... I saw that Post about the Processors being the ones who were doing the Charges. And then Blaming it on MC.

Thought I might make a Change to my Earlier Post. But figured this thread is about Dead anyway.

 

[puffon]

Link to Lighting Vapes email:
Mastercard is staying! MSP's are fibbing about the requirements

 

[zoiDman]

Anyway... Maybe Balaji Srinivasan will have a more Positive View of e-Cigarettes. And consider making some changes in the CTP.

If he is Named/Approved that is.

 

[Fozzy71]

Good news for vape shops (and it’s from the FDA!)

 

[zoiDman]

Good news for vape shops (and it’s from the FDA!)

That IS Good News. Especially the relatively "Plain English" part.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/UCM536997.pdf

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Yeah... I saw that Post about the Processors being the ones who were doing the Charges. And then Blaming it on MC.

Can't MC sue them for libel or defamation?

 

[zoiDman]

Can't MC sue them for libel or defamation?

You can Sue anyone for Anything in this country.

Now whether or Not you can prove that you are an Injured Party, well that can be another Story.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Enough money can get anything proven..