The Johnson-Hunter legislation will likely need 60 votes in the senate since it is a non-budget item (at least on its own). That means the bill will need Democrat support. The Dems will be, at minimum, reluctant to sign on to this bill. But there are 10 Democrat senators up for reelection in 2018 that come from states that Trump won. They will be a bit more friendly to GOP legislation than they normally would. So maybe 60 votes is achievable. Like you, I'm in a hope, wait, and see status.This bit of news was in my inbox this morning. Sounds good but I am in the hope, wait and see camp
I think we can repeal the FDA deeming regs and replace with Johnson-Hunter legislation in the next 60 days—Mark Block, Electronic vaping Coalition of America
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FDA Deeming Regs On Chopping Block
With a stroke of the pen President Trump could take vaping out of tobacco and do away with the onerous FDA deeming regulations. Yes, repeal is that easy but replacing the regulations could be much harder—a winning vote is needed in both houses of Congress.
After fighting the Obama era FDA with little to no effect, fortunes may be turning in favor of the U.S. vaping industry as President Trump begins to make-good on his campaign promise to repeal onerous regulations.
Standing ready with new legislation to replace the deeming regs is Sen. Ron Johnson and Rep. Duncan Hunter, backstopped by a dedicated group of political operatives with connections that run directly into the White House.
Vapers in America could use a win…will they get it? Find out—only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com.
This is what the petition Les posted and we have been promoting for well over a year has been trying to tell them to do all along. Our devices ARE NOT a tobacco product and they are not a drug so let's give them there own, well deserved, category.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I do find the Wisconsin connection interesting and clever on the part of the vaping community. They targeted Senator Johnson as an advocate. Johnson is from WI as is the Speaker, Paul Ryan, as is White House Chief of Staff Priebus. And now with another cheesehead heading up this advocacy group who knows all these people...well, let's just say it is helpful. People who know one another tend to take their phone calls.
Honestly don't see how creating another legislative platform for further e-cig regulatory incrementalism helps us as long as the open-ended definition of tobacco survives. The 60-vote majority would serve to the proscriptive advantage of the people if vaping is extracted from tobacco legislation. Why do they always insist we must take the bad with the good? Why not just do what is right?
Repeal and replace are two different things.
Reverse the wrong. Don't add to it.
Good luck.
Repeal and replace are two different things.
Reverse the wrong. Don't add to it.
Good luck.
This line of text is what caught my attention With a stroke of the pen President Trump could take vaping out of tobacco. It seems to me, that one thing will have the biggest impact on having sensible regulations. I believe we have done a fairly good job of self regulating but we all know that there will be some kind of regulations but at least we won't be regulated as a tobacco product.Honestly don't see how creating another legislative platform for further e-cig regulatory incrementalism helps us as long as the open-ended definition of tobacco survives. The 60-vote majority would serve to the proscriptive advantage of the people if vaping is extracted from tobacco legislation. Why do they always insist we must take the bad with the good? Why not just do what is right?
Repeal and replace are two different things.
Reverse the wrong. Don't add to it.
Good luck.
If you go to the 5:35 mark of the video that @mattiem linked for us you will find Mr. Block implying that Johnson-Douglas legislation removes vaping from tobacco. And yes, a 60 vote hurdle would make it harder to go back and implement laws and regs that restrict vaping (again). But in the end, no matter if vaping is considered a tobacco or not and no matter what the current legislation and/or regulations are we can expect to have this battle for the rest of our lives because what can be done or undone can be redone and overdone again.Honestly don't see how creating another legislative platform for further e-cig regulatory incrementalism helps us as long as the open-ended definition of tobacco survives. The 60-vote majority would serve to the proscriptive advantage of the people if vaping is extracted from tobacco legislation. Why do they always insist we must take the bad with the good? Why not just do what is right?
Repeal and replace are two different things.
Reverse the wrong. Don't add to it.
Good luck.
One last point. I am skeptical of all regulations. That is not the same as saying I'm against all regulations. Some regulations are good. And I think they can be good for the vape industry as well...particularly as it relates to safety. Good safety practices in gear and liquid is not only in the interests of the individual but for the industry as well. Nothing gives the industry a worse image than the videos that come out showing one of those cheap Chinese mod/batteries that blow up in the face of a vaper. It does the vaping community no good to have that out there (along with the poor soul who got his face blown off).
"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
Ronald Reagan (assessing how our government operates)
Ronald Reagan (assessing how our government operates)
I yield. Vaping is tobacco.
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When future generations realize as to admit the semantic fraud conflating vaping (nicotine) and tab (FDA's legislated tax target) they will attribute it to vapers for our failure to restore representative process, just as surely as many now in hindsight blame BT for its capitulation and collusion with government.
They will see it stated everywhere that we needed regulations.
Good luck all.
(Just removed Iron Molly's tag-line.)
When future generations realize as to admit the semantic fraud conflating vaping (nicotine) and tab (FDA's legislated tax target) they will attribute it to vapers for our failure to restore representative process, just as surely as many now in hindsight blame BT for its capitulation and collusion with government.
They will see it stated everywhere that we needed regulations.
Good luck all.
Every day those user error videos pop up especially in FB by people thinking they are doing a community service by showing new users what not to do. They have no idea the damage they are envoking, then they get angry when told so. Here in Canada the government is beginning to propose some idiotic "save the kids" regulations that are going to remove flavor concentrates, contents of what flavor the juices are on their labels and other nonsense. It not as bad as the FDA banning but ranking right up there with grasping at straws to do what it takes to keep the kids safe...gimme a break. The public gets all up-in-arms when kids are mentioned or could be harmed and that's how our government misconceives a nation full of lemmings who believe anything the government says.
Yep, that's how they do it. "Save the kids". "They're pushing Granny over a cliff". "They're racists". "They're sexist". "They're xenophobes". Etc.. etc... etc...
I personally would love to live in a world where regulations of adults never came about but I have lived long enough now to know that some are inevitable. If I thought it would help I would fight against having ANY regulations concerning us but sadly I live in the world we find ourselves living in. I feel like the best I can do is choose my fights.I yield. Vaping is tobacco.
(Just removed Iron Molly's tag-line.)
When future generations realize as to admit the semantic fraud conflating vaping (nicotine) and tab (FDA's legislated tax target) they will attribute it to vapers for our failure to restore representative process, just as surely as many now in hindsight blame BT for its capitulation and collusion with government.
They will see it stated everywhere that we needed regulations.
Good luck all.
Bottom line..... Vaping is NOT tobacco and thus should not be classified as a tobacco product. Although I HATE child proof caps I would reluctantly concede to that regulation but other than that.....nope, nothing else. I really wish the powers that be would just leave us to police ourselves but I think most of us know that there are some that actually need to be, thus the reason for all the ridiculous warnings on most everything sold today.. Common sense is not so common JMHO
And therein lies the problem. There is a percentage of idiots out there who need to be regulated because they are incapable of policing themselves. The 20% bring down the 80%...sadly. With regard to vaping..."Why would I buy a Sony battery when I can get a "It-go-Pow" battery from China for less than half the price?"
Gotta link for those batteries?
Our adversaries relish our common sense pragmatism, our civic conscience and copacetic nature. They count on it as the rules are superfluously amended to their financial advantage. I fail to see how that helps us, the real stakeholders, to let them leave us some of our property rights on unfounded principles of fact and law however we rationalize that. Without the integrity of an equitable generation or application of law and regs the very protections we seek to allow this fraudulent process are illusory. For this to happen the lack of a proper definition of tobacco is indispensable.
That is where the fight is. Where it's always been.
But I will not settle or condone Congress through its indifference to facts and language to saddle me with the label pariah forever. That may seem practical but I see no advantage or sense in it.
Good luck all.
That is where the fight is. Where it's always been.
But I will not settle or condone Congress through its indifference to facts and language to saddle me with the label pariah forever. That may seem practical but I see no advantage or sense in it.
Good luck all.
I'd tolerate the idiot neighbor before I'd tolerate an idiot in Congress. I can always draw the shades on the first one but the second puts his hand in my pocket.
Good luck.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/sea...&sigi=12acsdib1&sign=112bitoj1&sigt=112bitoj1Gotta link for those batteries?
Gotta link for those batteries?
These is another possibility although a bit pricey. For some reason they weren't working well in the buyer's mod with a "check battery" error, but don't let that deter you from the bargain price of only $19.95 each 18650 Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery 2600mAh 3.7V | Jaycar Electronics
Common sense is not so common. True. I think that is where we need to let natural selection do its job. I am tired of the nanny state.
Good info on the battery mechanics and what can cause problems though not complete. That last couple paragraphs would be great to see in the e-cig stories, but that's not the agenda in those cases.
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