Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[BlueMoods]

First, she is a product of this new generation, and second, she is heavily influenced by what most people are influenced by..

There is a reason they stopped teaching kids logic in school.. but i digress.

People are already prone to have some fear of the unknown. There is an Arabic saying that says "better the devil we know, than the devil we don't know"

This is human behavior to have a fear of what we don't know, to the point of preferring what we do know, even if we know it to be bad.

Couple that with negative campaigns against that unknown, and so long as you don't overdo it, you will be more likely to influence people to your point of view.

It is a fact that people are more heavily influenced by negative content than by either positive content or even contrasting content. This aspect of human nature has been deeply studied in political science, as well as utilized heavily as a result.

So, your daughter in law, unable to use logic and influenced by both the fear of the unknown and the negative campaigning against vaping, did what she was raised to do; bow to the will of those who know best how to influence her.

What you need to work on is how to counter their attack in an equally effective manner..

I'm afraid my methods don't work very well. I am not a patient or repetitive person. I tell you once what and how to do it, what is right, how it is, to do something, etc... I expect you to remember it PERIOD. If not, you did not listen and, thus will suffer the consequences of your failure whether that be missing out, losing allowance, being grounded, me walking out, not being invited to my home again, whatever the result of your failure to listen might be.

I told her why vaping was better than smoking once a few years ago. I told her who my DIY suppliers are and that they were safe, food grade suppliers. If that isn't good enough, that's her problem if she wants to die of cancer, emphysema and, stink to high heaven while doing it - up to her. I'm not telling her what she should already know a second time.

 

[Opinionated]

I'm afraid my methods don't work very well. I am not a patient or repetitive person. I tell you once what and how to do it, what is right, how it is, to do something, etc... I expect you to remember it PERIOD. If not, you did not listen and, thus will suffer the consequences of your failure whether that be missing out, losing allowance, being grounded, me walking out, not being invited to my home again, whatever the result of your failure to listen might be.

I told her why vaping was better than smoking once a few years ago. I told her who my DIY suppliers are and that they were safe, food grade suppliers. If that isn't good enough, that's her problem if she wants to die of cancer, emphysema and, stink to high heaven while doing it - up to her. I'm not telling her what she should already know a second time.

And that is how our parents generation were.. you probably became your father.. lol..

However, we are up against the masters of manipulation and our parents' generations methods of teaching aren't helping win people to our side, and we do have a side worth fighting for.

Just my thoughts anyway.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I'm afraid my methods don't work very well. I am not a patient or repetitive person. I tell you once what and how to do it, what is right, how it is, to do something, etc... I expect you to remember it PERIOD. If not, you did not listen and, thus will suffer the consequences of your failure whether that be missing out, losing allowance, being grounded, me walking out, not being invited to my home again, whatever the result of your failure to listen might be.

I told her why vaping was better than smoking once a few years ago. I told her who my DIY suppliers are and that they were safe, food grade suppliers. If that isn't good enough, that's her problem if she wants to die of cancer, emphysema and, stink to high heaven while doing it - up to her. I'm not telling her what she should already know a second time.

Unfortunately today if you have something to say you must be ready to repeat yourself interminably just to get past all the screaming squirrels. But I see your point.

Good luck.

 

[BlueMoods]

And that is how our parents generation were.. you probably became your father.. lol..

However, we are up against the masters of manipulation and our parents' generations methods of teaching aren't helping win people to our side, and we do have a side worth fighting for.

Just my thoughts anyway.

Actually, I probably am your parent's generation - I'm over half a century young. I's from Arkansas; I eat squirrels.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Actually, I probably am your parent's generation - I'm over half a century young. I's from Arkansas; I eat squirrels.

Thanks, you are too kind. Slow cooked, a good bbq sauce and some slaw cures all ills. Good luck.

 

[DC2]

Dunno, but thanks to Hunter mechanicals seem to be selling out everywhere.

Speaking of Hunter...
Freedom Factor | U.S. Rep. Hunter Talks Vaping Bill | RegulatorWatch.com

 

[Opinionated]

Actually, I probably am your parent's generation - I'm over half a century young. I's from Arkansas; I eat squirrels.

I'm 48 so you'd have to be well over half a century to be my parent.. hahaha..

I like squirrels just fine.. ...for supper.

 

[440BB]

I'm 48 so you'd have to be well over half a century to be my parent.. hahaha..

Studies have shown that squirrel consumption by youth leads to premature fertility, so a 60 year old could easily be your daddy!

 

[Opinionated]

Studies have shown that squirrel consumption by youth leads to premature fertility, so a 60 year old could easily be your daddy!

Hahaha..

But i honestly doubt squirrels have any to do with fertility...

 

[MacTechVpr]

Speaking of Hunter...
Freedom Factor | U.S. Rep. Hunter Talks Vaping Bill | RegulatorWatch.com

Daily, I think more and more Americans are beginning to realize just how little we actually need government. Unfortunately, too many of us are tuning out when what we ought to do is make it happen.

Good luck.

 

[Robino1]

Speaking of Hunter...
Freedom Factor | U.S. Rep. Hunter Talks Vaping Bill | RegulatorWatch.com

Thank you for posting this.

Common sense. How true are those words!

 

[beckdg]

Thank you for posting this.

Common sense. How true are those words!

I hate to say it, but;

I really like Hunter as an advocate.

I just have a few very serious issues.

And now 2 more;

Vaping ibuprofen and caffeine?

Seriously?!?

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[MacTechVpr]

Wait a minute, I'm at a loss here. We spend years and boundless efforts informing ourselves and others arguing against the validity, propriety or even necessity of FDA regulation. Now we are going to argue for it? Given the FDA's evident incapacity to issue impartially on the matter or account for it? To more permanently institutionalize the agency's authority and legally install a "framework" encompassing it…because Mr. Hunter now proposes it?

Well pin my tail and call me a donkey but I don't see much sense in that no matter how well said or comforting.

We are not responsible for the destruction of this industry if Congress persists in a state of dysfunctional indifference to us as a constituency. But we should not allow ourselves to be saddled without good cause and need being articulated. Bursting batteries would not be one of them nor within the purview of the FDA in any case as just one example. Let Congress walk back the construction in law that shackled us that we may then consider truly reasoned proposals.

One thing I can assure you is that vaping is not going away because of them. We'll not give them that.

Good luck all.

 

[Opinionated]

Wait a minute, I'm at a loss here. We spend years and boundless efforts informing ourselves and others arguing against the validity, propriety or even necessity of FDA regulation. Now we are going to argue for it? Given the FDA's evident incapacity to issue impartially on the matter or account for it? To more permanently institutionalize the agency's authority and legally install a "framework" encompassing it…because Mr. Hunter now proposes it?

Well pin my tail and call me a donkey but I don't see much sense in that no matter how well said or comforting.

We are not responsible for the destruction of this industry if Congress persists in a state of dysfunctional indifference to us as a constituency. But we should not allow ourselves to be saddled without good cause and need being articulated. Bursting batteries would not be one of them nor within the purview of the FDA in any case as just one example. Let Congress walk back the construction in law that shackled us that we may then consider truly reasoned proposals.

One thing I can assure you is that vaping is not going away because of them. We'll not give them that.

Good luck all.

I agree with you.. i didn't like that proposal at all past page 1.. I think page one was meant to pacify and make vapers fall into a false sense of security and stop reading at that point..

I would rather wait for a more reasonable proposal, i would not advocate for that one..

 

[go_player]

One thing I can assure you is that vaping is not going away because of them. We'll not give them that.

I spent today at Eastec, a big manufacturing trade show where we had a booth. One thing that's very clear to me, and that was only reinforced by talking to people today, is that the genie's out of the bottle when it comes to a lot of things these days.

It was always possible for people to put together pretty passable vaping equipment at home, but we're very close to being able to do pretty decent fabrication and machining (on a small scale of course) for far less than a lot of middle-class people spend on home shops, and a lot less than a lot of people spend on vaping, over time. PCBs, etc., are going to be pretty hard to regulate. So I think that even if the regulations wind up being a lot more draconian than I expect they will be, the equipment (even pretty sophisticated equipment) really can't be regulated away at this point, though it could be made less convenient to get hold of.

Nicotine strikes me as the more difficult issue. As long as tobacco is available it will be possible to extract nicotine from it, but for a lot of reasons that would be less than ideal as the only route to getting vapeable nicotine outside the *cough* regulatory framework.

 

[motordude]

Wait a minute, I'm at a loss here. We spend years and boundless efforts informing ourselves and others arguing against the validity, propriety or even necessity of FDA regulation. Now we are going to argue for it? Given the FDA's evident incapacity to issue impartially on the matter or account for it? To more permanently institutionalize the agency's authority and legally install a "framework" encompassing it…because Mr. Hunter now proposes it?

Well pin my tail and call me a donkey but I don't see much sense in that no matter how well said or comforting.

We are not responsible for the destruction of this industry if Congress persists in a state of dysfunctional indifference to us as a constituency. But we should not allow ourselves to be saddled without good cause and need being articulated. Bursting batteries would not be one of them nor within the purview of the FDA in any case as just one example. Let Congress walk back the construction in law that shackled us that we may then consider truly reasoned proposals.

One thing I can assure you is that vaping is not going away because of them. We'll not give them that.

Good luck all.

And AMEN!!!
This bill is BS, the way I see it.
I will not be content with this since it's only slightly better than what is on the books now.

 

[newyork13]

OK. I've been reading this thread for who knows how long and learning and enjoying, except of course for being screwed by my own gov't...
On the one hand, I love squirrels: smart, persistent, and athletic.
On the other, pains in the .... if they're where you don't want them, attic or bird feeder or wherever.
So, with mixed feelings, I must ask: what do they taste like. And, I'll shoot myself if anyone says chicken.

 

[go_player]

So, with mixed feelings, I must ask: what do they taste like. And, I'll shoot myself if anyone says chicken.

Kind of like rabbit?

 

[Opinionated]

OK. I've been reading this thread for who knows how long and learning and enjoying, except of course for being screwed by my own gov't...
On the one hand, I love squirrels: smart, persistent, and athletic.
On the other, pains in the .... if they're where you don't want them, attic or bird feeder or wherever.
So, with mixed feelings, I must ask: what do they taste like. And, I'll shoot myself if anyone says chicken.

It's not like rabbit, (at least to me) it's more like dark meat fowl.

 

[Rossum]

I will not be content with this since it's only slightly better than what is on the books now.

While it's certainly less than perfect, it strikes me as many orders of magnitude better than the situation we are currently facing.