Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Kent C]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't it a product sold before whatever, 2007, in the US, not just limited to retail consumers?

Not only is it NOT limited to retail consumers, it doesn't have to be sold at all - just 'commercially marketed in the US.' - per my link:

• dated copies of advertisements

• dated catalog pages

• dated promotional material

• dated trade publications

'in the US' may have some considerations that they didn't mention - iow, if it was on the internet where US wholesalers and consumers had access, does it have to include info on shipping to the US, etc., etc....

 

[Burnie]

I'm Not sure the FDA needs to.

Because if Nicotine is Not Used for Human Consumption as a "tobacco Product", then I believe that Courts would agree that it is a Drug.

That's kinda the Road we went down in the njoy Lawsuit circa 2010.

I don't think it could be classified as a drug, because you consume a drug in one form or another.

What is human consumption mean?
formal the process of eating, drinking, or smoking something.

So if it was not for human consumption, how would you use it if it were classified as a drug? In my mind (what of it there is ) drugs are consumed to treat some illness/aliment.

 

[Kent C]

Funny how the FDA requires no modification yet they required the tobacco industry to modify cigarettes to be 'fire safe' which in turn created a more toxic product.

Another case where the 'safety nazis' did more harm than good.... recall the 70's case of flame ......ant children's clothes:

Tris(1,3-dichloro-2-propyl)phosphate - Wikipedia

Until the late 1970s, TDCPP was used as a flame ......ant in children’s pajamas in compliance with the U.S. Flammable Fabrics Act of 1953. This use was discontinued after children wearing fabrics treated with a very similar compound, tris(2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate, were found to have mutagenic byproducts in their urine.

 

[DC2]

And who keeps dated receipts that long?!?

Do we have any hoarders in our midsts?

Even then, it is still at the discretion of the FDA to approve or NOT. They will 'consider' it.

I have dated receipts from years ago...
Many of them are faded to the point of no longer being a receipt...

 

[leftyandsparky]

What going to happen to all the shops that have drum after drum of nicotine? Do they take a loss on their taxes?

 

[Kent C]

What going to happen to all the shops that have drum after drum of nicotine? Do they take a loss on their taxes?

I'd figure if nic was banned, any supply would make it to the black market. Any excess of products I have, will.

 

[leftyandsparky]

I'd figure if nic was banned, any supply would make it to the black market. Any excess of products I have, will.

I was wondering would of they have to pay high fees for disposal?
( for the ones not choosing black market)

 

[DC2]

Only a Small Percentage of Vapers do DIY right now. But come August 2018, when Almost Every Flavored e-Liquid is going to Fall Off the Edge of the Cliff, those Non-DIY vapers might have enough motivation to learn.

I have a lot of nicotine in my freezer.
And I've never opened any of it, and hope never to do so.

And now, I don't even vape with nicotine anymore.
(not that I don't want to, but because of my employer health insurance)

But when I retire, I'm going right back to nicotine.
Mostly for health reasons.

But I still hope that I won't have to break out the stashed nicotine from the freezer.
I don't ever want to DIY if I don't have to, and I should not have to.

 

[Kent C]

I was wondering would of they have to pay high fees for disposal?
( for the ones not choosing black market)

It may be something like where the mafia went into 'oil/sludge removal' from oil companies having to comply with new EPA regulations, where the mafia had oil trucks that would pick up the sludge and then 'distribute' it on low populated roads. The "story" is, that's how they got into legitimate waste management, taking the high fees for disposal and buying landfills that dispose of it properly. It happened exactly that way with one of our local landfills. I know that because the former owner of that landfill was a friend.

Another downside of severe regulations - people find a way around it, that is likely more harmful than the activity the regulations were attempting to prevent. AND, the other 'unintended consequence' is that they promote criminal enterprises - similar to Prohibition where the 'mob' was able to rise from thugs who basically run the numbers game in neighborhoods and loan sharks to where they could create a new city - Las Vegas.

 

[Eskie]

Another downside of severe regulations - people find a way around it, that is likely more harmful than the activity the regulations were attempting to prevent. AND, the other 'unintended consequence' is that they promote criminal enterprises - similar to Prohibition where the 'mob' was able to rise from thugs who basically run the numbers game in neighborhoods and loan sharks to where they could create a new city - Las Vegas.

So, if we start working on our distribution network now, is it OK with everyone if we name our city Las Vapes?

 

[CMD-Ky]

So, if we start working on our distribution network now, is it OK with everyone if we name our city Las Vapes?

And declare it a sanctuary city, free from federal law.

 

[Eskie]

And declare it a sanctuary city, free from federal law.

And free from income tax.

As long as we're at it might as well see if that flies too.

 

[CMD-Ky]

And free from income tax.

As long as we're at it might as well see if that flies too.

I agree, no half way measures.

 

[mikepetro]

Well, they havent (or cant) stop prescription drugs from being mailed from India, nor green plant stuff from Columbia, nor any number of other "banned" items. I dont expect they will stop vaping stuff any more effectively. Those of us who are motivated will find a path. The real losers are the folks who havent quit yet, or who are too timid to find alternative pathways.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't think it could be classified as a drug, because you consume a drug in one form or another.

What is human consumption mean?
formal the process of eating, drinking, or smoking something.

So if it was not for human consumption, how would you use it if it were classified as a drug? In my mind (what of it there is ) drugs are consumed to treat some illness/aliment.

It's kinda a Moot Point if the FDA Allows say 50mg/ml or 36mg/ml Nicotine Base and Not 100mg/ml.

I don't think they will allow 100mg/ml will be allowed to be Sold if somehow a Nicotine Base was Grandfathered. And feel that the FDA will pull a Rabbit out of their Hat to Not Allow it.

100mg/ml isn't Vapeable. So maybe they would say that it is a Raw Ingredient of a Tobacco Product? And once you Down Mix It, you are Now a Manufacture?

I dunno?

 

[Eskie]

Well, they havent (or cant) stop prescription drugs from being mailed from India, nor green plant stuff from Columbia, nor any number of other "banned" items. I dont expect they will stop vaping stuff any more effectively. Those of us who are motivated will find a path. The real losers are the folks who havent quit yet, or who are too timid to find alternative pathways.

But those folks could be our future customers. Hypothetically speaking.

 

[leftyandsparky]

But those folks could be our future customers. Hypothetically speaking.

Where are we setting the shop at?

 

[Burnie]

It's kinda a Moot Point if the FDA Allows say 50mg/ml or 36mg/ml Nicotine Base and Not 100mg/ml.

I don't think they will allow 100mg/ml will be allowed to be Sold if somehow a Nicotine Base was Grandfathered. And feel that the FDA will pull a Rabbit out of their Hat to Not Allow it.

100mg/ml isn't Vapeable. So maybe they would say that it is a Raw Ingredient of a Tobacco Product? And once you Down Mix It, you are Now a Manufacture?

I dunno?

Good Point, I don't know either.

I have enough nic for a LONG time, but I feel for the ones who don't prepare and the ones that haven't started vaping yet.

 

[zoiDman]

... Those of us who are motivated will find a path. The real losers are the folks who havent quit yet, or who are too timid to find alternative pathways.

There is just Something Wrong with the system if it ever gets to the point where those who Can't Quit Smoking have to consider using the Black Market to find Less Harmful Products like e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids.

Look what's going on in England, Australia and New Zealand. How can e-Cigarettes by Less Harmful and part of National THR push there? When here they are being Bombed back into the Stone Age?

 

[zoiDman]

Good Point, I don't know either.

I have enough nic for a LONG time, but I feel for the ones who don't prepare and the ones that haven't started vaping yet.

I hear you.

I feel Sorry those who are currently smoking also. Because I know they Won't Enjoy the same Freedoms and Choices that I had.