Ah, had a feeling we'd hear this at some point. So by definition of years, it would be until 2020 or longer should this administration get a second term and Gottlieb remains. Maybe they can spend the next 3 years doing busy work like have actual, understandable approval guidelines that don't require anyone to reinvent the wheel, and simplify the whole juice approval stuff down to cleanliness and assuring the contents are accurately disclosed (at least nic, no one will tell you their flavorings and give up that kitchen secret). Short of legislation removing vaping from all regulation that's about as best an outcome as we can expect.
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Ah, had a feeling we'd hear this at some point. So by definition of years, it would be until 2020 or longer should this administration get a second term and Gottlieb remains. Maybe they can spend the next 3 years doing busy work like have actual, understandable approval guidelines that don't require anyone to reinvent the wheel, and simplify the whole juice approval stuff down to cleanliness and assuring the contents are accurately disclosed (at least nic, no one will tell you their flavorings and give up that kitchen secret). Short of legislation removing vaping from all regulation that's about as best an outcome as we can expect.
This is Probably the Best News that we could have hoped for from the FDA.
"The agency plans to issue this guidance describing a new enforcement policy shortly. Under expected revised timelines, applications for newly-regulated combustible products, such as cigars, pipe tobacco and hookah tobacco, would be submitted by Aug. 8, 2021, and applications for non-combustible products such as ENDS or e-cigarettes would be submitted by Aug. 8, 2022. Additionally, the FDA expects that manufacturers would continue to market products while the agency reviews product applications"
FDA announces comprehensive regulatory plan to shift trajectory of tobacco-related disease, death
Exactly. I have also believed that no matter what the latest reg or law is we will always be at risk of losing our right to vape. Get in new pols and regulators and things can always change...regulations, laws either one. There is no such thing as permanency.
Here's a link right to what Gottlieb posted on the FDA webiste for those who want to read the actual coments FDA’s New Plan for Tobacco and Nicotine Regulation
There is one negative here that I'm going to struggle with. How in the hell can I keep justifying my buying sprees.
There is one negative here that I'm going to struggle with. How in the hell can I keep justifying my buying sprees.
I never stocked up. I understand why others did but I figgered if vaping gets banned I would just face the music and either go back to smoking 1-1/2 packs a day or quit.
We still have to deal with what the individual states will do to us, which has always been my main worry. The problems from them ain't going away.
There might very well be a way to get new guidelines implemented in a manner that would be difficult for a potential new administration difficult to change. One, he's not just talking about ignore those regs for now. He's talking about a rewrite in a manner to assure a path for manufacturers to follow in more transparent and actual standards would come out to guide them. It would be very tough to take that away from a manufacturer who would suffer considerable harm if the new rules arbitrarily changed the pathways. At best you could make a case that anyone who has been playing by the new rules will be allowed to continue under a "new" grandfarthering date, while new products after (top of my head from that press release) 2022 would be subjected to other guidelines.
Granted, it's not everything, but it's better than things stood yesterday.
On the plus side, that gives me more time to save my pennies cause I want a 250.00 new device! Hahaha
BTW - Here is some Encouraging dialog about it being the Delivery Mechanism (the Smoke) that is at the Root of the Problem with Combustible Tobacco Products.
"But the nicotine in cigarettes is not directly responsible for the cancer, lung disease, and heart disease that kill hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. Yes, it got them all addicted and kept them addicted for the long term. And it got most of them addicted when they were still teenagers. But it’s the other chemical compounds in tobacco, and in the smoke created by setting tobacco on fire, that directly and primarily cause the illness and death, not the nicotine.
So we need to take a fresh look at nicotine itself, and how the addiction that it causes relates to the potential harm of its delivery mechanism.
Nicotine is by no means a completely safe and benign compound. But a family and population-focused approach to reducing tobacco-caused disease and death must start from the premise that, as far as nicotine is concerned, the problem isn’t just the nicotine. The bigger problem is the delivery mechanism -- how the nicotine gets delivered. Attach it to smoke particles created by burning cigarettes and the mechanism is deadly. But attach the very same nicotine to a medicinal product without the other chemicals found in tobacco products and these therapeutic products have been found to be safe and effective by FDA in helping smokers quit. In fact, for nicotine replacement products such as gum, lozenges and patches, FDA doesn’t even require a doctor’s prescription for them."
Protecting American Families: Comprehensive Approach to Nicotine and Tobacco
"But the nicotine in cigarettes is not directly responsible for the cancer, lung disease, and heart disease that kill hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. Yes, it got them all addicted and kept them addicted for the long term. And it got most of them addicted when they were still teenagers. But it’s the other chemical compounds in tobacco, and in the smoke created by setting tobacco on fire, that directly and primarily cause the illness and death, not the nicotine.
So we need to take a fresh look at nicotine itself, and how the addiction that it causes relates to the potential harm of its delivery mechanism.
Nicotine is by no means a completely safe and benign compound. But a family and population-focused approach to reducing tobacco-caused disease and death must start from the premise that, as far as nicotine is concerned, the problem isn’t just the nicotine. The bigger problem is the delivery mechanism -- how the nicotine gets delivered. Attach it to smoke particles created by burning cigarettes and the mechanism is deadly. But attach the very same nicotine to a medicinal product without the other chemicals found in tobacco products and these therapeutic products have been found to be safe and effective by FDA in helping smokers quit. In fact, for nicotine replacement products such as gum, lozenges and patches, FDA doesn’t even require a doctor’s prescription for them."
Protecting American Families: Comprehensive Approach to Nicotine and Tobacco
True. I always kind of looked at changing laws and regs as a way to improve our odds of keeping vaping as a viable option. But nothing will ever make it necessarily a permanent right. Any of my enthusiasm for changes in law or regulations is within this context.
Also true. If there is anything positive to say here it is that many states tend to follow federal laws/regs. Not always and not always in full. It's just a tendency.
Wow. I kind of expected it to go in the reverse order. I almost never say this, but the FDA seems to have chosen a voice of reason... For now. I mean, I'm sure they'll get to e-cigs, but making cigarettes safer first is entirely the way to go. I really hope this news causes some smokers to take a look at vaping.
I still have my vacopalypse closet.... For now, I am going to change the name to "Harm reduction" closet.
This is (mostly) good news....
Anna
I still have my vacopalypse closet.... For now, I am going to change the name to "Harm reduction" closet.
This is (mostly) good news....
Anna
Wonder why it came out in the Washington Post, and nothing on the FDA website?
The other hammer waiting to strike is taxation. We all know nothing goes untaxed in this country...at least not for long...and especially "sin taxes". About the only thing that kept governing bodies from taxing the hell out of e-cigs was that it appeared vaping would be (effectively) banned. Few pols would stick their necks out to introduce new e-cig taxes on an industry that was going to dry up in a year or two. Question now is will this position remain with the delay in regulation deadlines.
Here it is again for those that skipped by it. I think Zoid initially posted it.
FDA's New Plan for Tobacco and Nicotine Regulation
FDA's New Plan for Tobacco and Nicotine Regulation
Looks like they may still go after flavors:
"We will re-double our efforts to protect kids from all nicotine-containing products. This has to include looking at the role of kid-appealing flavors, because kids shouldn’t be using any of these products. So going forward I am asking the Center for Tobacco Products to develop an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to address the issue of flavored tobacco products and kids. This will be just one of the new proposed rulemakings and policy actions we are committing to today, in order to start the process for defining how we intend to properly regulate the deemed products."
"We will re-double our efforts to protect kids from all nicotine-containing products. This has to include looking at the role of kid-appealing flavors, because kids shouldn’t be using any of these products. So going forward I am asking the Center for Tobacco Products to develop an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to address the issue of flavored tobacco products and kids. This will be just one of the new proposed rulemakings and policy actions we are committing to today, in order to start the process for defining how we intend to properly regulate the deemed products."
Has nobody told them that nicotine alone is no more addictive than caffeine???
If nicotine was so addictive, how did I step down to 0mg, THROUGH VAPING???
It's not the nicotine in cigarettes that is addictive...it's all the other garbage!
And not to mention that many studies have shown that just the act/routine of smoking is highly addictive to many people.
So how is reducing the amount of nicotine going to help?
And if they reduce the nicotine, I'm 100% sure they'll find something else to replace it with, which will end up being worse, and cause more suffering for those who smoke.
They need to take nicotine out of the equation and focus on the real problem: the other 409 chemicals found in the average cigarette, some of which are created during the smoking process as a chemical reaction to burning.
If nicotine was so addictive, how did I step down to 0mg, THROUGH VAPING???
It's not the nicotine in cigarettes that is addictive...it's all the other garbage!
And not to mention that many studies have shown that just the act/routine of smoking is highly addictive to many people.
So how is reducing the amount of nicotine going to help?
And if they reduce the nicotine, I'm 100% sure they'll find something else to replace it with, which will end up being worse, and cause more suffering for those who smoke.
They need to take nicotine out of the equation and focus on the real problem: the other 409 chemicals found in the average cigarette, some of which are created during the smoking process as a chemical reaction to burning.
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