Fortunately, as an earlier poster said, we have been given the ability to sustain ourselves regardless of what the regs do. The only thing that gets more attention from me, aside from my banking and IRA is my supply of Nic in the freezer.....
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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That is no longer a concern for me, I, my loved ones, and friends to a degree, are covered.
Doesnt mean I still dont fight, and will continue to do so. Unfortunately it appears that us "mere citizens" dont have a lot of say in the matter. We can choose whom we elect, but the "machine" functions beyond any single election. And the "machine" has long been out of our control.
DISCLAIMER: I'm an eternal optimist. With that said...
Here's the closing quote from Gottlieb in the flavors article:
"And as a public health agency, it's important that we also explore how flavors, under a properly regulated framework that protects youth, may also be helping some currently addicted adult cigarette smokers switch to certain non-combustible forms of tobacco products."
I believe he's trying to strike a balance that will limit the impact of the changes on adults while preventing kids access to nicotine products. I agree with the theory, but it's all about the execution and often government is terrible at implementing anything that works.
Here's the closing quote from Gottlieb in the flavors article:
"And as a public health agency, it's important that we also explore how flavors, under a properly regulated framework that protects youth, may also be helping some currently addicted adult cigarette smokers switch to certain non-combustible forms of tobacco products."
I believe he's trying to strike a balance that will limit the impact of the changes on adults while preventing kids access to nicotine products. I agree with the theory, but it's all about the execution and often government is terrible at implementing anything that works.
Likely the kids aren't getting those devices from vape shops. Maybe simply restricting vape gear to vape shops would already reduce teen use. Can't prevent the whole adults-that-buy-for-kids thing though, even if all vape juice tastes like dog turds and broccoli.
Beer tastes terrible if you're not used to it, I'd call that a definite adult flavor, doesn't prevent teens from wanting to drink it though.
Beer tastes terrible if you're not used to it, I'd call that a definite adult flavor, doesn't prevent teens from wanting to drink it though.
DISCLAIMER: I'm an eternal optimist. With that said...
Here's the closing quote from Gottlieb in the flavors article:
"And as a public health agency, it's important that we also explore how flavors, under a properly regulated framework that protects youth, may also be helping some currently addicted adult cigarette smokers switch to certain non-combustible forms of tobacco products."
I believe he's trying to strike a balance that will limit the impact of the changes on adults while preventing kids access to nicotine products. I agree with the theory, but it's all about the execution and often government is terrible at implementing anything that works.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
Gottlieb:
"To make certain that the FDA is striking an appropriate balance between regulation and encouraging development of innovative tobacco products that may be less dangerous than cigarettes, the agency is also providing targeted relief on some timelines described in the May 2016 final rule that extended the FDA’s authority to additional tobacco products."
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"The FDA is committed to encouraging innovations that have the potential to make a notable public health difference and inform policies and efforts that will best protect kids and help smokers quit cigarettes."
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"But, as we move forward with this approach, we must also take a new and fresh look at the noncombustible side of the house. And that is why part of CTP’s task is to reconsider aspects of the implementation of the final deeming rule with an eye towards fostering innovation where innovation could truly make a public health difference,"
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"We need to make sure we strike the right balance between FDA fulfilling its vital consumer protection role while also fostering innovation when it comes to potentially less harmful forms of nicotine delivery."
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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
Authors: Scott Gottlieb, M.D., and Mitchell Zeller, J.D
"Rendering cigarettes minimally addictive or nonaddictive, within a landscape including other, noncombustible products such as e-cigarettes, represents a promising foundation for a comprehensive approach to tobacco harm reduction. In working toward this vision, the FDA is committed to striking an appropriate balance between protecting the public and fostering innovation in less harmful nicotine delivery."
" Ultimately, we may be able to transform the tobacco marketplace and the delivery of nicotine to protect future generations of young people and save many millions of lives."
This comes close to advocating ecigs to young people.....
You are totally correct. The FDA does not even think of taxation, and they get their CTP user fees from Big Tobacco but are hurting them substantially.
No, their intent is clear and clearly stated - to reduce smoking and prevent youth uptake. They (mistakenly) believe limiting flavors will do that.
All these conspiracies that attribute devious motives are unfortunate distractions to going after the target and changing policies of OUR government.
No, their intent is clear and clearly stated - to reduce smoking and prevent youth uptake. They (mistakenly) believe limiting flavors will do that.
All these conspiracies that attribute devious motives are unfortunate distractions to going after the target and changing policies of OUR government.
Beer doesn't taste like dog turds and broccoli though.
Why do y'all hate broccoli? Steamed, with appropriate seasonings and some lemon juice, it's delicious!
You just didn't find the right beer yet
Give them some of this smoked beer and watch them try to keep it in
Goes well with bread and/or cured ham
Might be good with that smoked pepper from Mexico, didn't get to try it yet.
Maybe FDA-approved and heavily taxed ones. Or better yet, outrageously over-priced ones made by their friends at Big Pharma....
I can hear it now..."If you want to talk about dog turds and broccoli then take it to the OUTSIDE."You're going to get your knuckles rapped again! "Back on topic! Back on topic!"
@Truthdog Yes, they do mistakenly believe flavors will limit teen exposure. However, if they maintain an objective perspective and adjust proposed policy changes as data comes in, including the rational voices of vapers and the industry, they may shift their position.
I think the e-cig market is already too big to experience major disruption - expected to be $28B by 2022. The pro-growth economic agenda and reduced regulatory environment of the current administration coupled with the health benefits of e-cigs over cigs, confirms my believe the coming changes shouldn't impact adult vapers much. We'll see.
I think the e-cig market is already too big to experience major disruption - expected to be $28B by 2022. The pro-growth economic agenda and reduced regulatory environment of the current administration coupled with the health benefits of e-cigs over cigs, confirms my believe the coming changes shouldn't impact adult vapers much. We'll see.
I'm not sure. Have you been following the latest:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/fda-crackdown.856299/
Well they're searching for some mobsters to throw around fists in vape shops rite nao so we could expect them to start their job soon. You don't look for personnel 12 months ahead of time.
Hard to say what the Global Impact of Deeming Enforcement coupled with Flavor Reduction would be? Because so much of the Date used for Projections is Extrapolated. Or based on Convenience Store Data.
But for the Run-of-the-Mill US Vape Shop, or Small Cap US e-Cigarette company, it think it could be summed up in 1 Word.
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