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I do think we're just going to have to hope the damage is "limited" to 4 years, not 8. The FDA knows full well they may only have 4 years to accomplish this, though. :(
Eh? Do you think the other side's appointees would have given the industry a four year reprieve from the PMTA deadline, or what has so far been been a pass on enforcement of those parts of the regs that are already in effect? I don't see it that way at all.
 

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Another wrong opinion, IMHO.

Crack Down on E-Cigarettes

From the "study" cited:

"1357 hospitalized adult cigarette smokers who planned to stop smoking, received tobacco cessation counseling in the hospital, and were randomly assigned at discharge to a tobacco treatment recommendation (control) or free tobacco treatment (intervention)."

My guess is that the 'hospitalized adult smokers' had some heavy suggestions to 'plan to stop smoking' and that the ecigarettes used by the tobacco treatment were cigalikes - less likely to switch or more likely to include dual use than Mods that produce the smoke/vapor experience smokers prefer.
 

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Another wrong opinion, IMHO.

Crack Down on E-Cigarettes

From the "study" cited:

"1357 hospitalized adult cigarette smokers who planned to stop smoking, received tobacco cessation counseling in the hospital, and were randomly assigned at discharge to a tobacco treatment recommendation (control) or free tobacco treatment (intervention)."

My guess is that the 'hospitalized adult smokers' had some heavy suggestions to 'plan to stop smoking' and that the ecigarettes used by the tobacco treatment were cigalikes - less likely to switch or more likely to include dual use than Mods that produce the smoke/vapor experience smokers prefer.

As usual comparing apples and oranges, the saga continues.

Good luck. :)
 

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From the "study" cited:

"1357 hospitalized adult cigarette smokers who planned to stop smoking, received tobacco cessation counseling in the hospital, and were randomly assigned at discharge to a tobacco treatment recommendation (control) or free tobacco treatment (intervention)."

My guess is that the 'hospitalized adult smokers' had some heavy suggestions to 'plan to stop smoking' and that the ecigarettes used by the tobacco treatment were cigalikes - less likely to switch or more likely to include dual use than Mods that produce the smoke/vapor experience smokers prefer.
A more objective review of that study can be found here, Bloomburg took the "sensational" approach.

"I think the message of this paper is that using e-cigarettes infrequently or using them with cigarettes is just not an effective way to quit smoking. Many of these people didn't even use e-cigarettes once a day. People who have success with [approved] smoking-cessation medications use them regularly. That is probably how e-cigarettes need to be used if they are going to be effective."

"In this setting, the use of e-cigarettes intermittently and concurrently with other cessation aids did not seem to aid quitting and may have hampered it. The possibility remains that e-cigarettes can promote tobacco cessation if they are used regularly and as a complete replacement for cigarettes, which is how conventional cessation medications are recommended for use."
 

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Wait, so an ecig can only help you quit smoking if you actually use it? That's some genius findings :D

Hope they didn't spend too much money on that study :rolleyes:

I think you summarized the study rather succinctly. Some, such as bloomberg, have to study to discover a truth such as that, others seem to know such things instinctively.
 
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A more objective review of that study can be found here, Bloomburg took the "sensational" approach.

My quote was from the actual study. Can't get more objective than that - as far as what was said in it :- ) (not that the study is objective... lol)
 

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Wait, so an ecig can only help you quit smoking if you actually use it? That's some genius findings :D

Hope they didn't spend too much money on that study :rolleyes:
If they spent "too much money" then it must have been tax payer funded.
 

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Well, there goes my "nicotine is pretty much like caffeine" explanation, at least if I travel west.

Next will be the ban on flavored coffees as they are intended to lure children into the sinful lifestyle of the coffee drinker. Colas will also be looked upon a stepping stone to coffee.
 

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Screw 'em! I roasted beans in a 15 dollar hot air corn popper for two years before my wife took pity on me and gave me a coffee roaster for christmas. With a little practice in the garage you can get a pretty good cup of joe. Only problem would be that I buy my beans from California.
 

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