Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Myk]

I'm late to the party but, try that with pain meds and you'll get reported to your doctor and the pharmacy will refuse to fill your prescription. I know, it's happened to me before.

Yes, the "Opioid Crisis" hysteria has gone nuts. They can't stop illegal stuff from being imported which is where the real deaths are coming from so they are going after the low hanging fruit of pain patients.
It's very much the same as what's going on with ecigs, including the profits of BP wanting to sell more expensive and deadly options.
I'm as active commenting on the FDA about that as I am with ecigs. I warn the others to expect the FDA to completely ignore our comments and just enjoy the fact that we get to annoy them by commenting.

I'm curious, what do you all see as the future of the vaping industry? Does it have a built in lifespan? What is the plan once all of the smokers have switched, quit, or died?

Does vaping have a place as a general use consumer product? Can the industry try to attract new customers who have never smoked before?

They haven't managed to end smoking. Non-smokers experience even more harm reduction if they never take up smoking in the first place.
So I don't see it ending completely. But as there are fewer former smokers there will be fewer die hard vapers using it to keep them from smoking. There will always be people smoking as long as there is tobacco.

 

[mikepetro]

I'm curious, what do you all see as the future of the vaping industry? Does it have a built in lifespan? What is the plan once all of the smokers have switched, quit, or died?

Does vaping have a place as a general use consumer product? Can the industry try to attract new customers who have never smoked before?

I see myself being 6 ft under before that becomes even a remote issue. If nothing else, there are other countries where the smoking rate is much higher than the US, and the eradication efforts are much lower.

My cracked crystal ball tells me that as long as nicotine is legally obtainable, there will be those who choose to use it for its stimulant effect. Until a better delivery system comes along, vaping will remain.

 

[Lessifer]

Yes, the "Opioid Crisis" hysteria has gone nuts. They can't stop illegal stuff from being imported which is where the real deaths are coming from so they are going after the low hanging fruit of pain patients.
It's very much the same as what's going on with ecigs, including the profits of BP wanting to sell more expensive and deadly options.
I'm as active commenting on the FDA about that as I am with ecigs. I warn the others to expect the FDA to completely ignore our comments and just enjoy the fact that we get to annoy them by commenting.




They haven't managed to end smoking. Non-smokers experience even more harm reduction if they never take up smoking in the first place.
So I don't see it ending completely. But as there are fewer former smokers there will be fewer die hard vapers using it to keep them from smoking. There will always be people smoking as long as there is tobacco.

I see myself being 6 ft under before that becomes even a remote issue. If nothing else, there are other countries where the smoking rate is much higher than the US, and the eradication efforts are much lower.

My cracked crystal ball tells me that as long as nicotine is legally obtainable, there will be those who choose to use it for its stimulant effect. Until a better delivery system comes along, vaping will remain.

Let me rephrase the question, because I don't think my point is getting across.

Is it acceptable for vapor companies to market to anyone other than current/former smokers?

 

[Bronze]

Let me rephrase the question, because I don't think my point is getting across.

Is it acceptable for vapor companies to market to anyone other than current/former smokers?

If it proves as harmless as we think it might then why not? People like to sit around and puff on stuff (think of the huka shops in the middle east). If it is relatively harmless then go for it. Beats the hell out of a lot of other activities we could engage in.

 

[mikepetro]

Let me rephrase the question, because I don't think my point is getting across.

Is it acceptable for vapor companies to market to anyone other than current/former smokers?

IMHO, it is as acceptable as marketing alcohol, or any other drug currently being marketed. (Alcohol is a drug) So, as long as marketing drugs is acceptable, then I dont see how marketing nicotine "should" be any different.

 

[Lessifer]

If it proves as harmless as we think it might then why not? People like to sit around and puff on stuff (think of the huka shops in the middle east). If it is relatively harmless then go for it. Beats the hell out of a lot of other activities we could engage in.

IMHO, it is as acceptable as marketing alcohol, or any other drug currently being marketed. (Alcohol is a drug) So, as long as marketing drugs is acceptable, then I dont see how marketing nicotine "should" be any different.

Agreed, but I wonder about it a lot with many of the comments I read here and elsewhere, from vapers. We already know the general public equates vaping with smoking, because they've been taught to do that. Many vapers see vaping as "medicinal," it's sole purpose being a method to quit smoking. Combine that with America's views against smoking and the future looks bleak for vaping.

 

[Bronze]

Agreed, but I wonder about it a lot with many of the comments I read here and elsewhere, from vapers. We already know the general public equates vaping with smoking, because they've been taught to do that. Many vapers see vaping as "medicinal," it's sole purpose being a method to quit smoking. Combine that with America's views against smoking and the future looks bleak for vaping.

Well, your question didn't state that as a basis for our answer. I agree with all you said.

 

[mikepetro]

Agreed, but I wonder about it a lot with many of the comments I read here and elsewhere, from vapers. We already know the general public equates vaping with smoking, because they've been taught to do that. Many vapers see vaping as "medicinal," it's sole purpose being a method to quit smoking. Combine that with America's views against smoking and the future looks bleak for vaping.

Skid row drunks are rather unacceptable too......

ETA: My point being, just because something is socially unacceptable doesnt mean they take it off the market.

 

[Rossum]

Skid row drunks are rather unacceptable too......

Yeah, but women tend to be more fun if you give 'em some wine. I think it's an OK trade-off.

 

[Lessifer]

Skid row drunks are rather unacceptable too......

ETA: My point being, just because something is socially unacceptable doesnt mean they take it off the market.

it's never been about taking it off the market though, it's about making the vapor industry as close to the cigarette industry as possible, and turning public opinion to the point where the marginalized can be taxed without public outcry.

 

[mikepetro]

Agreed, but I wonder about it a lot with many of the comments I read here and elsewhere, from vapers. We already know the general public equates vaping with smoking, because they've been taught to do that. Many vapers see vaping as "medicinal," it's sole purpose being a method to quit smoking. Combine that with America's views against smoking and the future looks bleak for vaping.

Recent legislation in many states show that social acceptance for the physical act of smoking does indeed change. Over time it becomes more about the result than about the act.

Tobacco kills, thats a result.....
Nicotine stimulates, thats a result.

 

[stols001]

Maybe they'll be advertised like medications? Endless list of side effects up to an including explosive death?

Anna

 

[mikepetro]

it's never been about taking it off the market though, it's about making the vapor industry as close to the cigarette industry as possible, and turning public opinion to the point where the marginalized can be taxed without public outcry.

Ok, I thought the question was "Does vaping have a place as a general use consumer product?"

IMHO it always will until a better delivery system comes along, or it is made illegal.

 

[Lessifer]

Recent legislation in many states show that social acceptance for the physical act of smoking does indeed change. Over time it becomes more about the result than about the act.

Tobacco kills, thats a result.....
Nicotine stimulates, thats a result.

Which legislation are you talking about? Most of what I've heard about lately is the push to raise the age limit to 21.

Remember, it's not the Tobacco Control Act, it's the Family SMOKING PREVENTION and Tobacco Control Act. It's the smoking prevention part, "attempting" to make sure new smokers aren't created, that makes the regulation onerous.

 

[mikepetro]

"physical act of smoking" doesnt equal tobacco, people smoke other things, and that is the legislation I was referring to.

 

[Myk]

Is it acceptable for vapor companies to market to anyone other than current/former smokers?

To the ANTZ nothing is acceptable. In reality I would more than welcome a, "Don't smoke. If you do smoke vape instead. If you are thinking about smoking really vape instead." commercial. That shouldn't just be an ad for a store that should be a PSA paid for by the ANTZ.

 

[Bronze]

Maybe they'll be advertised like medications? Endless list of side effects up to an including explosive death?

Anna

I think there's a decent chance it will be treated like a medicine. Will need a prescription from the doc. You can take it past the liquor store and gambling parlor to the pharmacy next to the weed shop to get it filled.

 

[CMD-Ky]

'Tis funny but true.

I think there's a decent chance it will be treated like a medicine. Will need a prescription from the doc. You can take it past the liquor store and gambling parlor to the pharmacy next to the weed shop to get it filled.

 

[zoiDman]

it's never been about taking it off the market though, it's about making the vapor industry as close to the cigarette industry as possible, and turning public opinion to the point where the marginalized can be taxed without public outcry.

Don't think that Took much effort. Let along much of an Organized effort.

Ask a Non-Drinker what they think about Taxes on Alcohol. Bet you will hear More Times (A Lot more times) than Not... "Don't Know. Don't really care. I Don't Drink."

I mean, it is Pretty Darn Difficult to get Vapers/Vape Retailer's to do Anything. Not sure why Non-Vaper's are going to get All Up in Arms over a Fight they don't have a Dog in?

 

[KatlandKat]

I have agreed with Trump's policy on medications since he rolled it out (well, the idea of more choice, not so sure he cares as much about "cost" as he trumpets.

With that said, I'd like to see it actually be applied (I know it takes time, etc.) and yes, although it will never happen, I'd like to see him fold ecigs into that. It's not going to happen, but it would be very nice.

Anna

Unless it is called Trumpy Stick .........if so he would endorse it for a price