Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Nancy D]

I've used MyFreedomSmokes and Nicotine River nic for years. At MyFreedomSmokes t's about $50 for a liter of 100mg nic base and it's clear once you pour it into a glass bottle. Nic River is abou the the same to me. You can detect a very slight pale yellow tint if you look down through the liter bottle in bright sunlight, but I find it to be smooth with barely detectable nic bite at 3mg strength in a mix. Most people like a little nic bite, especially if they are coming off the cigs.

Organic is a buzz word term for a tobacco product grown without the use of pesticides. Nicotine from tobacco is going to be as organic as it gets.

It is a buzz word, but for VG it would be nice to avoid pesticides, Roundup Ready soy or whatever in the base liquid.
We can't really afford to eat organic completely since that is a money rabbit hole, it seems.
But, for vape juice I figured maybe I could find the most clean VG that I can afford.
Unfortunately, organic being in the news for good or bad means the price is way higher than "conventional" stuff.

But I would vape any VG if the Deeming cracks down in a NY millisecond!

 

[Nancy D]

PG and VG are commonly used in foods and are FDA approved for food and drug use.

Good article comparing PG and VG.
VG vs PG: What’s good for your health? | Vaping Blog

Basically, if I can afford organic food/stuff, I'll get it.
I'll vape soy or palm or canola VG if I were totally hardup, but if a choice were presented like Kind Juice slashing their prices, I'd jump on it!
PG is bothering me, so until I'm making my own juice, I'll stick to max VG (and hope my coils do okay with it.)
Please let's not let organic be a source of contention here! I smoked American Spirits, but I also smoked Marlboros, RYO Gauloises and anything combustible with tobacco in tubes with nicotine basically.

I'm gonna get a weird reputation now as some health nut and I'm not!

 

[DaveP]

It is a buzz word, but for VG it would be nice to avoid pesticides, Roundup Ready soy or whatever in the base liquid.
We can't really afford to eat organic completely since that is a money rabbit hole, it seems.
But, for vape juice I figured maybe I could find the most clean VG that I can afford.
Unfortunately, organic being in the news for good or bad means the price is way higher than "conventional" stuff.

But I would vape any VG if the Deeming cracks down in a NY millisecond!

Not smoking is a good thing and vaping is a way to stop smoking. The safest activity is to not smoke and not vape, but those of us who really enjoyed smoking continue to vape for years after quitting smoking. If vaping hadn't come along I might still be smoking, but at a lower rate with a serious struggle to try quitting. After 9+ years of vaping after quitting a 40 year smoking habit I'm fortunate to have quit smoking. Had I continued smoking I'd probably be in for some serious medical issues. Vaping is definitely safer than smoking, IMO.

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[440BB]

Basically, if I can afford organic food/stuff, I'll get it.
I'll vape soy or palm or canola VG if I were totally hardup, but if a choice were presented like Kind Juice slashing their prices, I'd jump on it!
PG is bothering me, so until I'm making my own juice, I'll stick to max VG (and hope my coils do okay with it.)
Please let's not let organic be a source of contention here! I smoked American Spirits, but I also smoked Marlboros, RYO Gauloises and anything combustible with tobacco in tubes with nicotine basically.

I'm gonna get a weird reputation now as some health nut and I'm not!

I think you're fine, unless you start recommending kale/tofu blends for DIY!

 

[Nancy D]

Not smoking is a good thing and vaping is a way to stop smoking. The safest activity is to not smoke and not vape, but those of us who really enjoyed smoking continue to vape for years after quitting smoking. If vaping hadn't come along I might still be smoking, but at a lower rate with a serious struggle to try quitting. After 9+ years of vaping after quitting a 40 year smoking habit I'm fortunate to have quit smoking. Had I continued smoking I'd probably be in for some serious medical issues. Vaping is definitely safer than smoking, IMO.

Is Vaping Safe: Vaping Safety Facts You Need To Know About

I know what you mean. My dh was on the way to COPD (his doctor said) having started smoking in his teens. Now he's okay, thankfully.

It took a lot of effort to quit, and vaping is a choice now to stay off cigs and to get nic, for life probably. And we like it a lot, too!
Yes, it's safer than smoking.
Anyone who finally freed themselves from cigs by vaping knows the health benefits. If the gov really wanted to prove or disprove safety and health issues honestly, they would actually get someone to do a real study. Not get a shill like Antz to spread disinformation!

And yeah, I'm thrilled not to be smoking too. I'm a new enough quitter/vaper to still be amazed that I'm off the cigs!

 

[Nancy D]

I think you're fine, unless you start recommending kale/tofu blends for DIY!

Actually when I started vaping again, I wondered if there was bacon flavored juice.
When I am a mad mixer, I will get my vengeance on you by making herbal juice!!

 

[Eskie]

I meant the base liquid. Very few juice companies say what VG they use. Like soy, palm, or whatever. The nic is nic from a lab, it's the base I think about.

Unless you have a PG allergy or something, you may well be better off buying your nic in a PG base. VG is very viscous at room temperature, warming it up to try and draw some up while cold is a real pain. It really doesn't affect longevity either so it's something to consider if you're not a VG only mixer.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Given the chemistry involved in extracting and purifying nicotine from tobacco, I'm skeptical that any nicotine could be considered "organic".

After hearing and seeing the word "organic" used to describe all kinds of things, processes and ideals, I have no idea what the word organic means any longer.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

 

[Bronze]

After hearing and seeing the word "organic" used to describe all kinds of things, processes and ideals, I have no idea what the word organic means any longer.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

I had thought organic meant the ingredients were raised naturally...no insecticides, no herbicides, crazy genetics, hormones, etc.. I'm not so sure anymore what it means.

 

[Kent C]

I had thought organic meant the ingredients were raised naturally...no insecticides, no herbicides, crazy genetics, hormones, etc.. I'm not so sure anymore what it means.

"Organic", "Natural", and similar "words" (not concepts), are used to sell to those (some not so bright) who fill in their own concepts of what they mean. Very effective, I might add

There are things that occur in nature, and there are things that are "raised", or combined from.... things that occur in nature.

 

[DaveP]

I had thought organic meant the ingredients were raised naturally...no insecticides, no herbicides, crazy genetics, hormones, etc.. I'm not so sure anymore what it means.

That's the description I get when I Google organic. It's a more expensive and meticulous process to keep the bugs and other destructive processes away from a plant without using herbicides and bug killers.

 

[DaveP]

It is a buzz word, but for VG it would be nice to avoid pesticides, Roundup Ready soy or whatever in the base liquid.
We can't really afford to eat organic completely since that is a money rabbit hole, it seems.
But, for vape juice I figured maybe I could find the most clean VG that I can afford.
Unfortunately, organic being in the news for good or bad means the price is way higher than "conventional" stuff.

But I would vape any VG if the Deeming cracks down in a NY millisecond!

Look for USP Kosher grade PG and VG. Essential Depot is one supplier.

https://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Gl...ds=pg+and+vg&qid=1558633269&s=gateway&sr=8-24

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• Crystal Clear
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[CMD-Ky]

"Organic" may be a Rorschach Test word as opposed to using ink blots you use this word. You sees what you wants to see and you hears what you wants to hear, as RockMan said in "The Point" circa 1971.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Look for USP Kosher grade PG and VG. Essential Depot is one supplier.

https://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Gl...ds=pg+and+vg&qid=1558633269&s=gateway&sr=8-24

Good info there, it has become second nature to me, USP and Kosher.

 

[Nancy D]

Unless you have a PG allergy or something, you may well be better off buying your nic in a PG base. VG is very viscous at room temperature, warming it up to try and draw some up while cold is a real pain. It really doesn't affect longevity either so it's

"Organic" may be a Rorschach Test word as opposed to using ink blots you use this word. You sees what you wants to see and you hears what you wants to hear, as RockMan said in "The Point" circa 1971.

Actually, I would have never applied it to anything vape related, until I started looking into WTAs and bumped into NETs.
A couple of juice companies were touting their organic stuff like their NETs. A lot of reviews were great about them, so I bought some.
Plus, a lot of ppl use organic interchangeably with non GMO.
I care more about avoiding soy VG that's Roundup Ready and sprayed soy VG.

 

[Nancy D]

That's the description I get when I Google organic. It's a more expensive and meticulous process to keep the bugs and other destructive process away from a plant without using herbicides and bug killers.

Yes, that's it. It also says no GMOs can be used in it. And no glyphosate basically.
The FDA is certifying stuff organic on the one hand, but breaking some of the rules that farmers made up in the 70's (when organic was for granola people who followed the Dead! J/K )

 

[DaveP]

Yes, that's it. It also says no GMOs can be used in it. And no glyphosate basically.
The FDA is certifying stuff organic on the one hand, but breaking some of the rules that farmers made up in the 70's (when organic was for granola people who followed the Dead! J/K )

I grew up in that era. Natural and chemical free was the buzz word for products.

 

[Nancy D]

Look for USP Kosher grade PG and VG. Essential Depot is one supplier.

https://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Gl...ds=pg+and+vg&qid=1558633269&s=gateway&sr=8-24

Thanks, Dave. But PG gives me a kind of allergic thing around my nose that hurts. It went away when I switched to max VG. So really, I'm not gonna chase down organic since its a pain in the ..... Plus I'm not a zillionaire so as long as I feel okay with VG and teeny bits of PG, great!

Is anyone else having sensitivity to PG? It's not called allergy, supposedly!

 

[mikepetro]

Actually when I started vaping again, I wondered if there was bacon flavored juice.
When I am a mad mixer, I will get my vengeance on you by making herbal juice!!

Dill flavor is pretty good, so is Worcestershire, and yes - TFA does Bacon bacon flavoring.

 

[Rossum]

Dill flavor is pretty good, so is Worcestershire, and yes - TFA does Bacon bacon flavoring.

Add some onions and beef and you have rouladen!