Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Nancy D]

The peach and cream sound good. The mint might throw me. Can you share the name?

It’s Budapest by Umba. It’s in FB and WTA. (I have the latter.) It is yummy! A mellow creamy peppermint with nice fresh peach. The mint is a back note, pretty subtle. I thought I wouldn’t like it, too. But, deliciousness imho. This peach flavor is addictive!
I threw some in every tank Im using, along with some HHV NETs. They’re having a sale at Om on Umba—120 mils for $8. I stocked up slightly!

 

[Eskie]

It’s Budapest by Umba. It’s in FB and WTA. (I have the latter.) It is yummy! A mellow creamy peppermint with nice fresh peach. The mint is a back note, pretty subtle. I thought I wouldn’t like it, too. But, deliciousness imho.
I threw some in every tank Im using, along with some HHV NETs. They’re having a sale at Om on Umba—120 mils for $8. I stocked up slightly!

I may well have to check that out. I like peach and ran out of what I was vaping a few months ago. I can't recall the band so I keep my eye out for a peach as I bounce around. Also a fan of pear.

 

[Nancy D]

I may well have to check that out. I like peach and ran out of what I was vaping a few months ago. I can't recall the band so I keep my eye out for a peach as I bounce around. Also a fan of pear.

This peach is lovely, and in stock! Really for $8, it’s amazing. If you go to Om Vapors, go to the “Brands” area and look for Umba. They sorta hid Umba away, which is how I was able to get it.
For the price, it’s worth it, imho. I figured if I hated it, no biggie. Stash it for whenever.

 

[Rossum]

The people in the DIY liquid groups way overcomplicate mixing to agrandize themselves but it does more harm than good by discouraging a lot of people. The safe way to start mixing is add pg, vg, and nic to a pre mix you already like, may be 50-50. Give yourself a few days to get used to the muted taste and the original pre-mix will probably taste too strong. After that get some sample sizes of various all in one flavoring and experiment. Start at 1 or 2% flavoring and give it a try. You can always add more later. I mix with graduated glass cylinders one or two months at a time. At very low flavoring percent I never tire of a flavor so only need to vape one. I buy it in 240 ml bottles for $14. It lasts for years.

Agreed, it does not need to be complicated. I also make big batches of unflavored using nothing more than a graduated cylinder to measure the ingredients, and I add flavorings to 30 ml bottles by counting drops. But like you, I make lightly flavored liquids, so I simply ignore the slight decrease in nic and increase in PG that adding a few percent of flavorings produces.

Now this technique likely isn't suitable for people who want very strongly flavored juices. If someone is using 10%, 20%, or even more flavoring, its effect on nic concentration and PG:VG ratio probably shouldn't be ignored. But it could be still compensated for in the initial mix of unflavored base.

I'm also not sure I agree with your assessment of their motivation. If one is going to publish a recipe that someone else is going to try to reproduce it, then accuracy is more important than if you're just mixing to please your own palate.

 

[sofarsogood]

I'm also not sure I agree with your assessment of their motivation. If one is going to publish a recipe that someone else is going to try to reproduce it, then accuracy is more important than if you're just mixing to please your own palate.

The only barrier to mixing is confidence. The moment you produce a DIY that you like everything else becomes easy rapidly. So I propose a beginner approach that is most likely to be a succesful confidence builder. The mixers who say it's necessary to start with complicated mixes with a bunch of flavorings just scare people off. They care more about creating more vape chefs than simply helping people get independent of the over priced pre mix products.

 

[Hoggy]

The mixers who say it's necessary to start with complicated mixes with a bunch of flavorings just scare people off.

People that don't make complicated recipes are simply doing it wrong!

Nah, seriously though.. I tell my friend who smokes how much cheaper DIY would be compared to Putrids: $0.59 vs $59.00. I tell him flat out to just start with a single flavor mix, if I can ever persuade him to quit smoking [cigarettes].


(Although, come to think of it, I don't think I ever heard any mixers say that. But then again, lately I've only been following a few threads - as my main interest lies elsewhere ATM... So I've been hermeting. )

 

[sofarsogood]

People that don't make complicated recipes are simply doing it wrong!

Nah, seriously though.. I tell my friend who smokes how much cheaper DIY would be compared to Putrids: $0.59 vs $59.00. I tell him flat out to just start with a single flavor mix, if I can ever persuade him to quit smoking [cigarettes].
(Although, come to think of it, I don't think I ever heard any mixers say that. But then again, lately I've only been following a few threads - as my main interest lies elsewhere ATM... So I've been hermeting. )

What I say to smokers is what I said to myself. Smoke whenever you want but start vaping too and don't stop vaping. I was a dual user for 6 weeks. A brother of mine did both for 10 months. Over time cigs started to taste awful. Today I would say vaping is an entirely superior experience. I wouldn't go back to smoking if you gave me free cigs and garranteed my health.

Smoking a carton a week cost me $3,000 a year. Cost of ingredients for a year supply of DIY is less than $36. Mix and rebuild and don't buy stuff you don't need and vaping is free.

 

[Rossum]

People that don't make complicated recipes are simply doing it wrong!

Then what do you say to someone who vapes the simplest of all possible mixes (unflavored, just PG, VG, and nicotine) more than anything else?

 

[sofarsogood]

Then what do you say to someone who vapes the simplest of all possible mixes (unflavored, just PG, VG, and nicotine) more than anything else?

My mix this morning was
1% flavoring
12 mg nic
47% PG
50% VG
3% water

1% flavoring is so laid back there is no flavor fatigue. I mix with the same flavor on every mix. I tried other all in one flavors at 1% and it made no difference. I didn't smoke 10 different brands of cigarettes, only one. 1% lets me do the same with vaping, a time saver.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can't even imagine starting DIY with more than one flavoring. If you don't know what a flavor is like by itself, how can you think you know how much you need in a recipe? Would a chef know how much garlic he needs if he's never tasted garlic?

 

[Rossum]

1% flavoring is so laid back there is no flavor fatigue.

Agreed. I probably average less than that. It's hard to say really, because my mods all have unflavored liquid in the squonk bottle and I drip flavored in from the top as needed. A bottle of flavored liquid lasts me dang near forever.

 

[Rossum]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can't even imagine starting DIY with more than one flavoring. If you don't know what a flavor is like by itself, how can you think you know how much you need in a recipe? Would a chef know how much garlic he needs if he's never tasted garlic?

Not to mention that some people like more garlic than others.

 

[Fidola13]

Just received my 6th liter oh 100mg of Nicotine. I’ll break it down into 250mls and use it first due to there not being much room left in the freezer!!

 

[Rossum]

I’ll break it down into 250mls and use it first due to there not being much room left in the freezer!!

Why would you use it first? I generally try to use my oldest nic first.

 

[Fidola13]

Why would you use it first? I generally try to use my oldest nic first.

I don’t have any more room in my freezer for it. I thought it would just be “easier” to use it since it’s not frozen. Maybe I should rethink it.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I don’t have any more room in my freezer for it. I thought it would just be “easier” to use it since it’s not frozen. Maybe I should rethink it.

The nic will still be liquid unless you have a serious freezer- do FIFO for freshness!

 

[Fidola13]

I’m having dreams of accounting class lol! FIFO ugh.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I’m having dreams of accounting class lol! FIFO ugh.

Dreams, or nightmares?
(Accounting wasn't my favorite to try to stay awake through!)

 

[Eskie]

Then what do you say to someone who vapes the simplest of all possible mixes (unflavored, just PG, VG, and nicotine) more than anything else?

Lazy?

I think one of the mistakes starting out is buying a bunch of flavors with no idea what to do with them (yeah, I did it too). It helps if you can find a few recipes for clones of juices you already know and like. Buy the flavorings just for the recipes. See how they taste compared to the original, and play around from there. It helped me get an idea of what flavors were really doing what, and a sense of how much to use. After that, either stick to the recipes you know you like (mostly what I did) and/or slowly expand from there. But I think even buying a "starter kit" is a waste, as you'll have two dozen flavors which are unrelated to your particular preference.

And yes, if unflavored works, you've got the easiest prep possible. Then you can become a nic snob and compare different company's nics to see which has the best flavor, and instead of a drawer of flavorings, a freezer full of different brand nicotine. Sorta like vodka.

 

[Rossum]

compare different company's nics to see which has the best flavor

BTDT, but I didn't rely on just on my own palate.

and instead of a drawer of flavorings, a freezer full of different brand nicotine.

LOL, no, the idea was just to make sure that I was filling my freezer with the best product available.