Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Eskie]

Interesting story on a large study being set up by the NIH looking at multiple factors in the risk of long term lung issues by various environmental exposures including vaping. It obviously will rely on a large number of enrollees and run for now 6 years although likely to be extended. It might yield some actual long term hard data on safety and new methods to avoid chronic lung diseases. Unfortunately there are some of us old folk here who will not benefit from the information as we may not be around 10 years to see all the results. Still, it's nice to see longer term studies finally being funded to address the issues of long term exposure to both vaping and other important stuff like air quality.

Big Study to Explore Long-Term Impact of Vaping, Pollution

 

[WorksForMe]

Unfortunately, the FDA won't wait 10 years to decide how to regulate vaping.

 

[stols001]

I wonder if the study will get suspended after vaping is gone?

I mean a lot of FDA studies, if the med works for you they provide it to you for free even if it doesn't get approval.

I know this because I SO desperately wanted to try Riuzole and the cost without an insurance auth (I would not have gotten one) was so prohibitive. I was considering heading back east for 3 months. I was pretty desperate at the time.

it would be cool if those work sites remained vape friendly and equipment was provided by the researchers.

With that said, I kept my eye on clinal trials for a long time and many were nuts. Just absolutely crazy. I used to read them for fun. Less so these days, but they can still be pretty thrilling. LOL.

One of my favorites was a "......." study by Hokins where they wanted to round up a bunch of former users and give them this really FANTASTIC pure stuff. I forget what the deal was, but yes, the were providing former users 100K for the study and then "detoxification" services afterwards. Since that drug has no detox period, the process consisted of "two hours of counseling." Sorry about my sense of humor but I was like "Maybe the need to fill up some rehabs?" Only it was Baltimore in the early 200s so I don't think that could possibly the case.

Anna

 

[NolaMel]

I wonder if the study will get suspended after vaping is gone?

I mean a lot of FDA studies, if the med works for you they provide it to you for free even if it doesn't get approval.

I know this because I SO desperately wanted to try Riuzole and the cost without an insurance auth (I would not have gotten one) was so prohibitive. I was considering heading back east for 3 months. I was pretty desperate at the time.

it would be cool if those work sites remained vape friendly and equipment was provided by the researchers.

With that said, I kept my eye on clinal trials for a long time and many were nuts. Just absolutely crazy. I used to read them for fun. Less so these days, but they can still be pretty thrilling. LOL.

One of my favorites was a "......." study by Hokins where they wanted to round up a bunch of former users and give them this really FANTASTIC pure stuff. I forget what the deal was, but yes, the were providing former users 100K for the study and then "detoxification" services afterwards. Since that drug has no detox period, the process consisted of "two hours of counseling." Sorry about my sense of humor but I was like "Maybe the need to fill up some rehabs?" Only it was Baltimore in the early 200s so I don't think that could possibly the case.

Anna

The FDA doesn’t pay PIs enough to give study subjects 100k. Typically for a long term study, you’re looking at no more than $3-5000 for a multiple year study. That would include several phases of the drug trial, paid in increments as the study reached completion dates. Drugs are only offered during the trial, not after completion, unless there’s FDA approval, then it falls on insurance to cover. All studies require your insurance or government health care to pay all applicable costs. The Belmont Report came out decades ago, which sets guidelines for responsible research that protects research subjects, as well as prohibiting payments that unfairly induce people to participate in any study. Every drug trial is overseen by a DSMB and an IRB, as well as the FDA (of which the previous two are independent). People can do a study independent of the FDA which doesn’t involve a drug approval

 

[Philabos]

The WSJ has an article this morning stating San Francisco will ban the sale, distribution, and manufacturing of e cigarettes in a vote this week.
Regular cigarettes will remain on sale.
Article behind paywall.

I would expect California will follow suit sooner rather than later. Just IMHO.

 

[dreamvaper]

San Francisco will ban the sale, distribution, and manufacturing of e cigarettes in a vote this week

"can't wait!"
(c) Juul's headquarter

 

[CMD-Ky]

The WSJ has an article this morning stating San Francisco will ban the sale, distribution, and manufacturing of e cigarettes in a vote this week.
Regular cigarettes will remain on sale.
Article behind paywall.

I would expect California will follow suit sooner rather than later. Just IMHO.

Well thank God, it is a bout time someone did something about this epidemic of evil.

 

[Eskie]

And the lawsuits will start next week.

 

[MacTechVpr]

And the lawsuits will start next week.

Hoisted by their own petards.

(JIT for the 4th of Jul-y.)

Good luck.

 

[englishmick]

The WSJ has an article this morning stating San Francisco will ban the sale, distribution, and manufacturing of e cigarettes in a vote this week.
Regular cigarettes will remain on sale.
Article behind paywall.

I would expect California will follow suit sooner rather than later. Just IMHO.

Very public spirited of them to volunteer their City as a laboratory for the development of a black market.

 

[Eskie]

Very public spirited of them to volunteer their City as a laboratory for the development of a black market.

Thought they had proved that with all the other illicit drugs they have our in the streets there.

 

[stols001]

IDK then, a lot of drug studies I have read about or been in desperation about involve using off label already approved medicines for mental health purposes. If the drug is already approved maybe the rules are different, IDK. I seem to remember reading studies where if it worked for U, you could get it thereafter. But they might have been compassionate use studies.

Until lithium, the main meds I was studying closely were the ones that could take away suicidality.

Some of them pretty much sucked, to be honest, but so does suicidality. I wanted Riluzole because it is chemically similar to Lamictal which was The Drug For Me, the Drug I got Stable Enough for a Baby on, then gave me Steven's Johnson Syndrome and caused a stay on the burn unit (I was pretty desperate for it to NOT be SJS honestly I took it too long) but like, then that resulted in Depakote and some other terrible things for babies, which like, caused all my doctors to point out that a) I was hardly in shape to WORK, b) let alone carry to term and deal with a neural tube baby and c) what about the kid I already had, which were all fair points. That is how I did NOT have baby number two that I DESPERATELY wanted and it sucked.

I will admit I am not resentful of Lamictal, although I do wish Riluzole makers (who have an orphan drug patient and guard it like the plage) were not such turds about testing it on depression because it works.

Also, I have deep, deep contempt for people who CAN take Lamictal but ..... about oh, the occasional word finding difficulties and also, feeling dizzy on occasion. I do want to sort of punch them in the face.

Sorry for the overshare there. IDK I'd research it, too tired.

Anna

 

[dreamvaper]

from red, sounds like a real plan:

Politicians do not care about you, your health or your kids.
Here is SanFran’s plan: outlaw sale of ecigs, teens go to easily available cigs for nic fix. Study is done showing increase in teen cig use. Ecigs blamed. Everyone including vape community continues to attack teen vaping. Flavor bans pushed through, for teh kidz of course.

 

[CMD-Ky]

from red, sounds like a real plan:

Politicians do not care about you, your health or your kids.
Here is SanFran’s plan: outlaw sale of ecigs, teens go to easily available cigs for nic fix. Study is done showing increase in teen cig use. Ecigs blamed. Everyone including vape community continues to attack teen vaping. Flavor bans pushed through, for teh kidz of course.

Any time problem is found or invented the first reaction is enact a law and make certain that law is guaranteed to punish a group of people who were never the problem.

 

[mikepetro]

Teen vaping is no different than teen drinking, except teen vaping doesnt kill people, teen drinking can.

Preventing teen alcohol consumption has been extremely successful (NOT), so why would we expect to be able to prevent teen vaping. Teens have been chasing a buzz for as long as there have been teens.

And to be perfectly honest, I would rather my teen have the option to pick up a vape in lieu of a Marlboro.

Alas we must satisfy the ANT hord, so use the same level of regulation you do with alcohol and be done with it.

Your child can get killed defending this country, but they arent mature enough to buy a drink or a vape?????????

 

[dreamvaper]

teen vaping doesnt kill people

Oh, it does, let's ban it asap to protect the kiddos

 

[Rossum]

Oh, it does, let's ban it asap to protect the kiddos

He wasn't killed by vaping. He was killed for vaping. I guess this shows just how much some people hate vaping.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Your child can get killed defending this country, but they arent mature enough to buy a drink or a vape?????????

Not mature enough to buy a beer or make a decision about tobacco but wise enough the choose our elected officials and some look to the age of 16 as a desirable voting age.

 

[Eskie]

He wasn't killed by vaping. He was killed for vaping. I guess this shows just how much some people hate vaping.

Gotta love the way FOX put a link in for the exploding vape pen as though it was relevant to this story.

Besides, why they didn't take the kid straight to a hospital is beyond understanding. But if it involves a kid and vaping, it's clear the vape was the problem, no matter the truth or circumstances.

 

[dreamvaper]

But if it involves a kid and vaping, it's clear the vape was the problem

yep, that's what I was pointing on.

ps
RIP kiddo, no vaping bans on heaven as far as I know.