Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[DaveP]

DaveP was talking about vaping like it’s only a way to quit smoking. Even judging it by comparing it with smoking as being the same thing. Yet all the evidence suggests that nicotine, like caffeine is pretty safe for moderate consumption. So why would it be a bad choice to start vaping when it’s also something that can be enjoyed?

I didn't intend for my comments to sound like I thought vaping was only a way to quit smoking or that it was the same thing. Tobacco cigarettes are known to be slow killers. Even though we are fairly sure that vaping is a relatively benign activity, the facts and the history are still being collected and analyzed.

That said, I'll vape for the rest of my life, I suppose. I really enjoy vaping and I really didn't want to quit smoking 9 years ago. Vaping allowed me to quit smoking and still enjoy something that's like smoking but (so far) not a contributor to early death. I don't think that people who aren't addicted to smoking should start a new habit that involves nicotine.

But then, I was urged not to start smoking as a teen, but I had to try it to see what it was like. I continued smoking here and there until it became a daily habit. Vaping was the fix for me after several decades of smoking. I just wish that vaping had started when I was much younger.

 

[DaveP]

I think you are off base on this one.

JUUL is by far the most popular e-cig brand in the US, but more than half of them on the market aren't even made by Juul. The majority are China counterfeits made by opportunists taking advantage of their popularity.

The FDA was highly critical of JUUL's marketing and business practices. Maybe JUUL deserved that criticism and maybe they didn't. JUUL complained that many of the so-called JUUL's on the market weren't even made by them, and that statement is true.

Schumer calls for feds to crack down on dangerous counterfeit vape pods from China

From the article quoted...

“Because they’re counterfeit and unregulated they could be dangerous,” said Schumer. “They could contain more nicotine and tar than regular e-cigs."

There's no reason for other than trace levels of tar in ejuice.

Obviously, Schumer doesn't understand that vaping doesn't produce tars like cigarettes. It irks me that a member of Congress doesn't understand the things they choose to oppose. It doesn't cost that much to gather facts and study them before commenting.

I'll give him the comment about nicotine levels. We are at the mercy of the person who mixes the juice. That said, I can tell the difference between 12mg and 3 mg juice with one hit. Maybe new vapers couldn't.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Just my humour. A lot of your post could apply to the UK.

Ah, gotcha. Difficult reading the tone in text sometimes. Suppose our two worlds are more the same than we might know. That doesn't exactly surprise me though, given some of our shared history.

 

[Bronze]

From the article quoted...


There's no reason for other than trace levels of tar in ejuice.

Obviously, Schumer doesn't understand that vaping doesn't produce tars like cigarettes. It irks me that a member of Congress doesn't understand the things they choose to oppose. It doesn't cost that much to gather facts and study them before commenting.

I'll give him the comment about nicotine levels. We are at the mercy of the person who mixes the juice. That said, I can tell the difference between 12mg and 3 mg juice with one hit. Maybe new vapers couldn't.

If politician's comments were based in fact it is only by coincidence.

 

[Tabac man]

Ah, gotcha. Difficult reading the tone in text sometimes. Suppose our two worlds are more the same than we might know. That doesn't exactly surprise me though, given some of our shared history.

My mum used to say when the US sneezes we catch a cold.

 

[bask]

I didn't intend for my comments to sound like I thought vaping was only a way to quit smoking or that it was the same thing.

No worries. It’s a forum. Opinions get shared and perspectives are not always clear.

 

[CMD-Ky]

The city ordinance first adopted in 2005 will continue to exempt three bars which currently allow smoking.

Who owns the three exempt bars?

 

[stols001]

I want to know where they are and go to them!

I was a smoker during the whole "we are going to get rid of smoking at bars and restaurants" and it was unpleasant. Man, what I would not give to go to a smoking bar, although it probably wouldn't be wise. I wouldn't be craving a Shirley Temple and a vape, I don't think.

Anna

 

[Doffy]

Who owns the three exempt bars?

They are probably cigar bars that have been there a very long time. I want to say 1800s some cropped up. But that could be wrong.

They are usually cigar bars of historical significance though

 

[CMD-Ky]

They are probably cigar bars that have been there a very long time. I want to say 1800s some cropped up. But that could be wrong.

They are usually cigar bars of historical significance though

When Lexington KY instituted its own version of Carrie Nation prohibition throughout Fayette County, there were no exemptions. But one of the primary proponents of prohibition owed the Applebee's franchises around. At that time Applebee's was instituting a nation wide ban on smoking in their restaurants and the man thought the competition from smoking bars would hurt his business. If you can't beat 'em, regulate 'em. One cigar bar moved to a location about 1000 feet from the Fayette County line. It does a fine business.

I have this serious paranoia that when ever I see three exemptions to a new law then I immediately search for political connections.

 

[DaveP]

My mum used to say when the US sneezes we catch a cold.

There are some that in America that say England started that rock and roll stuff. I agree, but I loved it and made a lot of side money playing it on the weekends over several decades. Sometimes, I made as much on Friday and Saturday night as I did working 40 hours at my day job (and my day job paid union scale without the union hassle).

 

[englishmick]

Obviously, Schumer doesn't understand that vaping doesn't produce tars like cigarettes. It irks me that a member of Congress doesn't understand the things they choose to oppose. It doesn't cost that much to gather facts and study them before commenting.

Remember those guys trying to interrogate Zuckerberg about Facebook. These are the folks we expect to regulate social media software as well as vaping. They sure do understand what their donors like and don't like but the technical stuff is a bit above their heads.

 

[Jingles]

I think the thought is that once you get older you should be wise enough not to get caught up in a bad habit you know that is detrimental to your health (speaking of cigarettes here). The vast majority of us began smoking at a young age when we thought we were immortal. I always found it odd when someone was well into their 20's who took up smoking. They were far and few between but I knew a couple of them.

I am an odd ball! I started smoking when I was 40. I quit when I was 50 after I found vaping. The year I started smoking was very stressful for me, so that's why I started smoking to self medicate I guess.

 

[kas122461]

Local news from Indianapolis. Carmel is an upmarket suburb where the rich folk live.

"CARMEL, Ind. (AP) — An Indianapolis suburb is adding electronic cigarettes to the city's ban on smoking in most public places.

The Carmel City Council voted unanimously in favor of the proposal Monday night. The city ordinance first adopted in 2005 will continue to exempt three bars which currently allow smoking.

Council member Sue Finkam says more limits were needed vaping because it has almost an epidemic among Carmel's high school students.

E-cigarettes weren't being sold when the city's original ordinance was adopted and students 18 and older caught with vaping devices at school weren't breaking any local laws.

Violators could be charged up to $50 for their first violation and up to $500 for more violations in the same year."

I am just wondering, what exactly are they considering a public place? Lets say I am vaping in my company parking lot outside my place of work. Does that mean I am breaking the law?

KAS

 

[Eskie]

I don't know what the rest of that town is like (can't be all too bad if the rich folk live there) but with three bars allowing smoking, I say all we vapers move there. Or at least have annual meets there. Sorta like going to Sturgis. I wonder if they'd change those bar exemptions.

Imagine 50,000 vapers showing up. No one would he able to see their next door neighbor and wonder why the TV news didn't mention the 3 days of heavy ground fog.

 

[Baditude]

I am just wondering, what exactly are they considering a public place? Lets say I am vaping in my company parking lot outside my place of work. Does that mean I am breaking the law?

My guess, "public place" is anywhere that is not your personal property.

My hospital employers said no smoking/vaping anywhere on the campus, so no going to your car to smoke/vape while on lunch or other breaks because it was their property. You weren't allowed to "leave work" without permission, so you couldn't even go to the street to smoke/vape.

 

[kas122461]

My guess, "public place" is anywhere that is not your personal property.

My hospital employers said no smoking/vaping anywhere on the campus, so no going to your car to smoke/vape while on lunch or other breaks. You weren't allowed to "leave work" without permission, so you couldn't even go to the street to smoke/vape.

So I could go to my car and be legal then? It is not a hospital or anything and we do have designated smoking areas.

KAS

 

[stols001]

Your car is considered your personal property. You have a certain amount of right to privacy they can't come hassle you for no reason.

However, if your car is ON someone else's property and you break THEIR rules, they have a right to hold you as a "law breaker" and well, IDK ticket you, tow you, insist you leave their property and summon the cops if they feel like it, etc. Depending on what you do in their. But whatever you are parked on belongs to "them" and is one of the reasons people get in trouble for having sex in their cars, (unless they are in their own garage or something) it's called public lewdness or whatever.

That is my understanding of the rules. I could be wrong and I stand ready to be corrected.

However, if you can get towed for parking without a parking ticket, I'd imagine same goes for vaping, whatever the penalty is.

The solution is to go live rural, that's what me and the husband are gonna do but fortunately around here it only takes 15 minutes to get to BEAUTIFUL rural.

And snus thank god for snus,

Anna

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Carrie Nation

Huh, I know a little about her and her 'actions', but I didn't know that her mother was a Campbell. I'm a Campbell also.

 

[kas122461]

All right I guess I am just not going to worry about it, my employer has not banned it from his property. I think of public places as parks and retail outlets, or other places of business.

KAS