I don't think so. I think it depends whether that place is a "public accommodation", i.e. someplace that invites the public for one reason or another. A hospital (and its grounds) would meet that criteria, as would for example, a restaurant or a shopping center. But the parking lot and grounds of a manufacturing company would not because it is not open to the public.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Right: private businesses, their rules. They can "vote'" no vaping on the parking lot or not. I imagine many of them would or would not care, depending. You might get away with vaping in your car, but they want employees NOT loitering in the parking lot vaping, period.
Some horrible woman who used to be like, governor in the State of AZ decided she would like ALL the grounds of the hospital (including the hospital freaking… helicopter probably) as non nicotine places.
That is correct. She decided they were places of "health" and now if you sneak a cigarette somewhere because your spouse is you know, dying of a heart attack, you had better be prepared for a bit of a drive, and that is NO time to be DRIVING. So you crash, and the helicopter brings you back and even THERE can you not smoke a cigarette because....
YOU KNOW. Hospitals are "healthy" place. YEA SURE THEY ARE. The only places more fatal than hospitals are Native Reservations and they ENCOURGE you to smoke, especially inside the casinos.
She really was a major jerk I hate her SO much still. SHE is the reason I was a non smoker for like 6.5 weeks when I got committed.
She very kindly offered like, free 12 week cessation courses for employees. As if they weren't free already.
Some of my most interesting TIMES of all TIME have been loitering outside a hospital smoking. You'd also be shocked at how many of your healthcare providers smoke, or use to smoke.
That is an extremely stressful profession, lemme tell you.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS UP AND DYING ON YOU WHILE YOU TRY TO SAVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also the hours suck, you are overworked but you can't complain oh, because of all the DEATH family members are dying to smoke and get mad at YOU.
It's super fantastic.
Anna
Some horrible woman who used to be like, governor in the State of AZ decided she would like ALL the grounds of the hospital (including the hospital freaking… helicopter probably) as non nicotine places.
That is correct. She decided they were places of "health" and now if you sneak a cigarette somewhere because your spouse is you know, dying of a heart attack, you had better be prepared for a bit of a drive, and that is NO time to be DRIVING. So you crash, and the helicopter brings you back and even THERE can you not smoke a cigarette because....
YOU KNOW. Hospitals are "healthy" place. YEA SURE THEY ARE. The only places more fatal than hospitals are Native Reservations and they ENCOURGE you to smoke, especially inside the casinos.
She really was a major jerk I hate her SO much still. SHE is the reason I was a non smoker for like 6.5 weeks when I got committed.
She very kindly offered like, free 12 week cessation courses for employees. As if they weren't free already.
Some of my most interesting TIMES of all TIME have been loitering outside a hospital smoking. You'd also be shocked at how many of your healthcare providers smoke, or use to smoke.
That is an extremely stressful profession, lemme tell you.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS UP AND DYING ON YOU WHILE YOU TRY TO SAVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also the hours suck, you are overworked but you can't complain oh, because of all the DEATH family members are dying to smoke and get mad at YOU.
It's super fantastic.
Anna
Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...
https://www.ecigclick.co.uk/vape-shops-in-uk-nhs-hospitals/
*sigh*
Oh, unf. it's not all sunny and butterflies kissing unicorns around here, but yeah, there are few bright spots.
All right I guess I am just not going to worry about it, my employer has not banned it from his property. I think of public places as parks and retail outlets, or other places of business.
KAS
WA state was one of the first to ban vaping 'anywhere you weren't allowed to smoke.' That included indoors at all businesses/buildings and in the parking lot, you had to be at least 20 feet from an entrance. It was still allowed inside vape shops (don't know about now). Most places continued to have smoking areas and you could vape there with all the smokers. I remember getting into trouble at an outdoor concert in a public park and was told to go to the smoker area. A lot of the apartments and all of the motels banned vaping.
I live in a very rural area now and it isn't allowed inside any buildings but some bars will tell you they don't care as long as it is discreet and no one complains. I just don't do that and stay at home a lot lol.
A bunch of us.a little under 40, a guy tried to rally people and vape shops from around Huntington wv, Charleston and surrounding citys, Cleveland, Columbus, Lexington and Detroit tried to get some vape protests going to show state congressmen/women or out locale house members we all mean business show up in state capital's in deffrent states.there was talk about Washington dc because unless we show them we mean business and we'll vote your asses out of office if you keep messing with the vape industry.I'm about to lose my vape business and a hobby that I love and saved my life
you'd think as much stuff that we talk it would be easy to get people rallied together I mean look at you guys.you guys seem like you're ready to do whatever it takes.nope, nothing it was just as I said talk.we couldn't even get but a couple ten thousand people to do that flavor thingie for the fda a couple years back.that was to hard for people.all we had to do was write why flavored e juice helped us get off cigs.you'd think as much much stuff as everyone talks about how much they love vaping everyone would do more action...... and less TALK! I guess it's what we deserve for just pretending to care.
you'd think as much stuff that we talk it would be easy to get people rallied together I mean look at you guys.you guys seem like you're ready to do whatever it takes.nope, nothing it was just as I said talk.we couldn't even get but a couple ten thousand people to do that flavor thingie for the fda a couple years back.that was to hard for people.all we had to do was write why flavored e juice helped us get off cigs.you'd think as much much stuff as everyone talks about how much they love vaping everyone would do more action...... and less TALK! I guess it's what we deserve for just pretending to care.
I signed all the petitions and wrote letters. Told them what I thought about flavors.
I suspect a large majority of vapers don't even know what's coming down. Or assume they can't do anything to stop it. Or don't believe it will really happen. Etc.
As far as voting goes only a few issues are big enough to change votes. Some people will vote regardless of party based on where a candidate stands on abortion or guns or gay rights or race or health care. For me it's health care, my wife is alive because of Obamacare so none of the other issues would matter, including vaping. I honestly don't think vaping is important enough to change more than a handful of votes. The vote counters know that. I wish it was different.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Some policies favor some, do nothing for others, or even harm others. My experience with Obamacare was quite different than yours. With vaping, these policies supposedly favor minors but in the process they harm smokers who want to quit. And the FDA is utterly incompetent to thread the needle to find the right policies that keep kids from vaping while allowing those of us already hooked to have access. I guess I come from the school of thought that says kids will try things that are bad no matter what we do. If kids today take up vaping instead of cigarettes then they are far better off than I was when I was experimenting with things in my youth.
Are You just coming to this Conclusion?
Although, for the General Vaping Community/Market, I couldn't Agree more with what you say. But your Post is Misplaced. Because the People in this Thread, for the Most Part, are the Letter Writers. And supporters, for the Most Part, of Advocacy Groups. And the one's, for the Most Part, who would attend a "Rally". If there was one.
There was a Member here a Long Time Ago...
... and when Deeming was still in the FDA Public Comment phase took it on himself to go to Local Vape Shops in His area in Hopes of Drumming up Support thru Retailers. He was meet with just about Zero Support. I think it Really Shocked Him.
I also contacted the Owners of 3 Vape Shops that I know. And asked if They could hand out Flyers to their Walk-In Customers explaining what the FDA was purposing. And to send a Link to the Information to their Customer via e-Mail. I offered to Print the Flyers for them. Or to make Posters that they could put in their shop using an HP 350c I have. I was Met with the Exact same thing. Zero Support.
When I challenged them on it I was told, in various forms, that they Didn't want to Scare their Customers. And to get them Thinking about how DIY could make them Self-Sufficient. Because the sale of e-Liquids was what reaped the Profits. And if people started doing DIY, the Businesses would go Belly Up. There's No Profit in selling Hardware.
I also got involved with some people who Tried to Leverage campaign contributions to include Positive and or Reasonable Support for Pending/Future e-Cigarette policies. We had a Few Gains. But they were Dwarfed by the Money that was going into Anti-Vaping Campaigns.
Here's the Thing. If you want to do anything at the Grass Roots level, you need to Contact a Lot of People. A LOT of People. Because in a Best Case Scenario, you might get 1 out of 10 people to do more than just agree that things are Not Right. And to get someone to get off their Couch on a Saturday and stand in a Crowd holding a Pro-Vaping sign, you are probably talking 1 of 50. So to get 100 people in the Streets, well... you can do the Math.
Without the Support of Retailers and OEMs, who can Reach Hundreds of Thousands of People in 1 e-Mail, there is a Limit to just what Individuals can do in a Thread like this.
It Isn't that they Don't want to Do Anything, they Do. They just Don't have vehicle to do it with.
The VAST MAJORITY of Vapers Don't frequent the ECF. Or any other Forum where Advocacy might (or Might Not) even be Mentioned.
So yeah... It's all Kinda going to Hell in a Hand Basket. But that Doesn't mean that there are Not those who Care. Or have Tried to Play a Part, albeit a small one, in it Not Happening.
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As I have said before, I was trying hard to get support. I talked with many online vendors, talked to everyone I knew whether they vaped or not, tried to get folks to join CASAA, preached about A Billion Lives, donated money and did everything I could think of. Most people just smiled, including vendors, as though they knew a secret that I didn't. So I gave up and stocked for myself. Figured out I couldn't save the vaping world.
I wish I could do more but I am tired at this point.
I wish I could do more but I am tired at this point.
As usual the truth won't reverse the damage done by the original media headlines.
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Brad Rodu, a University of Louisville professor, asked the Journal of the American Heart Association to retract a study out last month by University of California, San Francisco professor Stanton Glantz.
The study, co-authored by Dharma Bhatta, claimed adult vaping was "associated with" a doubled risk of heart attack, but Glantz went farther in a blog post, saying the study represented "more evidence that e-cigs cause heart attacks."
However, when Rodu obtained the federal data, he found the majority of the 38 patients in the study who had heart attacks had them before they started vaping — by an average of 10 years earlier. In his letter to the editors, Rodu called Glantz's findings "false and invalid."
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Study linking vaping to heart attacks muddied amid spat between two tobacco researchers
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Brad Rodu, a University of Louisville professor, asked the Journal of the American Heart Association to retract a study out last month by University of California, San Francisco professor Stanton Glantz.
The study, co-authored by Dharma Bhatta, claimed adult vaping was "associated with" a doubled risk of heart attack, but Glantz went farther in a blog post, saying the study represented "more evidence that e-cigs cause heart attacks."
However, when Rodu obtained the federal data, he found the majority of the 38 patients in the study who had heart attacks had them before they started vaping — by an average of 10 years earlier. In his letter to the editors, Rodu called Glantz's findings "false and invalid."
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Study linking vaping to heart attacks muddied amid spat between two tobacco researchers
Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing that others in academia are starting to take notice of Glantz as being a 3-Stooges type of fool?
Hopefully he'll really start being seen as the Joker of science that he truly is. Me wonders if he needs some of that nicotine for his undiagnosed Alzheimer's.
Congressmen know how hard it is to get people to actually get off their butts. So, if one gets say 50 letters from their constituents about a topic, they freak. Because 50 means many more also share that view. They care about getting re-elected. I think that is ALL many of them really care about; not losing access to the golden spigot.
Is there a good concise packet of information that we could use to forward to our reps and post on Trump's Facebook and Instagram?
Not that I'm aware of, but it would be handy. What I do know is simply sending in a form letter email with your name on it won't attract a ton of attention. They're used to lobbyists writing something then just getting folks to click send without much effort on the constituents part. But when personal letters using your own words, voice, and opinion start piling up, they can attract more attention as it means the constituent is really motivated to express their opinion rather than essentially just clicking on supporting a petition. One personal letter carries more weight than a bunch of form letters.
Doesn't mean it'll work, but it's something to think about if one should ever decide to go to the trouble of contacting an official.
Agree, nothing beats a stamp, personal letter and a signature. That is how they know you are serious (though that acknowledgement probably comes just before they trash it). I read somewhere way back in time that each letter represents twenty-five who agree. This was written before email and I am certain the level of agreement is much much higher today.
If I am serious I avoid email, petitions and canned stuff prepared by others. While this may give a good feeling, I imagine that it all lands in the "deleted" file, probably using a message rule.
The only contact I want to make with these folks is my boot contacting their rear end.
Although yes, it's probably useful advice . A bit like the kid with the finger in the .... but well he did SAVE Holland.
Holland's nice.
Although apparently as a child I was like, understanding of water dynamics or whatever . I never, ever once believed that story.
Anna
Although yes, it's probably useful advice . A bit like the kid with the finger in the .... but well he did SAVE Holland.
Holland's nice.
Although apparently as a child I was like, understanding of water dynamics or whatever . I never, ever once believed that story.
Anna
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