Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[sofarsogood]

In my city there is nothing new to report on the 8 kids at our Children's Hospital with lung damage from vaping.

I am particularly amused with the Wisconsin Department of Health Services stating emphatically that their injuries are from vaping. Yet WDHS went on to say "we have yet to determine an exact cause of the reported injuries" in the very next sentence. (from a local news broadcast) Silly me, all this time I thought the horse was supposed to be before the cart.

Nothing new, the anti-vaping agenda mixed with journalistic sensationalism. I would not expect an accurate follow-up report, for public consumption, as the message they wanted communicated was delivered.

May be it will be determined that, since the kids couldn't get commercial eliquid, they tried to makke their own and didn't understand what ingredients to use. I doubt there is a single instance, anywhere in the world, from the very start, of a physician treating someone with an illness caused by vaping (properly formulated) eliquid.

 

[HigherStateD]

May be it will be determined that, since the kids couldn't get commercial eliquid, they tried to makke their own and didn't understand what ingredients to use. I doubt there is a single instance, anywhere in the world, from the very start, of a physician treating someone with an illness caused by vaping (properly formulated) eliquid.

I thought it was determined that they were using black market "alternative" cartridges.

 

[mudmanc4]

Well, that will be a negligible "drop in the bucket" if one considers that within the next ten years or so we'll be losing 50% or more of all jobs. This lose will come from Capital switching over to more robust means of automation. Driving truck will be hard hit as the technology of automated driving furthers better safety protocols. It's already at something like 80 to 95% safer to let computers drive.

Tell me that we won't allow it on public roads and I'll just laugh. Whatever Capital wants, Capital will have. You think for a minute they want to keep shelling out money to human drivers when computers can do it more efficiently, need no sick days, have no "personal issues", no health requirements? And this is not only driving, it'll happen all across the board. We'll get automated robotic surgeons preforming routine surgeries soon enough.

Even waiting tables will face stiff competition from touch screens built into tables and hosting menu boards for ordering. Then, you can swipe your phone to give credit/debit card data for paying. Drones will come to your table with your order. I'm not saying this kind of stuff to weave fancy sci-fi type tales here. These things will soon be reality and people will need to adjust, go insane or do a bit of both.

The point of the U.S. losing money over cigarette jobs? Ha! That's just absolute silliness. Even if it were so it's merely a ploy for keeping Capital raking in profit. "Oh, you must consume cigarettes for the sake of national security." Yeah, well you can go toke some bull chips for me buddy, I'll keep vaping thank you.

No bull chips for me. Not touched one in more than a decade.
Try and understand the context, as well as how products that have been peddled globally for so long support support market chains.

 

[Philabos]

Short article in WSJ yesterday stating the switch from tobacco to ecigs is accelerating. Estimate 1.3 million in the last 12 months alone. Thought to be 13 million total now with 7 million of that number exclusive vapers. That would indicate almost half of vapers are dual users.

 

[Baditude]

May be it will be determined that, since the kids couldn't get commercial eliquid, they tried to make their own and didn't understand what ingredients to use.

I thought it was determined that they were using black market "alternative" cartridges.

It was my understanding the kids weren't vaping traditional e-liquid, but an e-liquid for that "other stuff" people vape. The gear used for both is the same kind of gear. The medical staff just see a vape pen and don't think outside the box. That "other stuff" these days is 70 - 80% more potent than it was when I smoked it in the 1970's.

A week ago, I took a single vape hit of some medicinal "other stuff" from Colorado and spent the next half hour coughing up a lung and the next 3 hours in a stupor.

 

[HigherStateD]

It was my understanding the kids weren't vaping traditional e-liquid, but an e-liquid for that "other stuff" people vape. The gear used for both is the same kind of gear. The medical staff just see a vape pen and don't think outside the box. That "other stuff" these days is 70 - 80% more potent than it was when I smoked it in the 1970's.

More pure than that. I've purchased 99.7% pure. The good manufactures don't like calling it e-liquid though. Too many patients worried about health risks. They even go so far as to boldly state no PG/VG/PEG. As well as priding themselves on only natural oils being present in their carts. I've seen some disturbing lab results on the black market stuff, but trusting the government isn't my strong suit.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I doubt there is a single instance, anywhere in the world, from the very start, of a physician treating someone with an illness caused by vaping (properly formulated) eliquid.

Exactly.

I thought it was determined that they were using black market "alternative" cartridges.

Nope, no mention of that here at all. Don't know where that story came from but it wasn't out of here.

It was my understanding the kids weren't vaping traditional e-liquid, but an e-liquid for that "other stuff" people vape. The gear used for both is the same kind of gear. The medical staff just see a vape pen and don't think outside the box. That "other stuff" these days is 70 - 80% more potent than it was when I smoked it in the 1970's.

A week ago, I took a single vape hit of some medicinal "other stuff" from Colorado and spent the next half hour coughing up a lung and the next 3 hours in a stupor.

Zero mention of that locally. In fact there has been no mention, or details released, of what exactly they were vaping. To date the exact cause is unknown and still under investigation.

Even back in "those" days I never knew of anyone who actually went to a hospital. Same with the many folks I personally know who partake with today's much stronger varieties. Everyone I know is very knowledgeable and responsible with the product(s) they obtain and aren't into it to get blitzed into oblivion. From what I understand one or two hits is all it takes these days (dependent on strain).

 

[Baditude]

Even back in "those" days I never knew of anyone who actually went to a hospital. Same with the many folks I personally know who partake with today's much stronger varieties. Everyone I know is very knowledgeable and responsible with the product(s) they obtain and aren't into it to get blitzed into oblivion. From what I understand one or two hits is all it takes these days (dependent on strain).

But we're talking about young teens in this circumstance, not knowledgeable and responsible adults with some common sense, where the goal is most likely "to get blitzed into oblivion". I was a kid once, and kids tend to push the limits of what is considered "normal".

 

[Baditude]

Nope, no mention of that here at all. Don't know where that story came from but it wasn't out of here.

Zero mention of that locally. In fact there has been no mention, or details released, of what exactly they were vaping. To date the exact cause is unknown and still under investigation.

"Siblings of a 26-year-old man from Burlington also reported their brother was hospitalized in critical condition this week after vaping T.H.C. from a cartridge he bought on the street."

"Jonathan Meiman, chief medical officer with the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, said it's unclear what exactly the teenagers admitted to Children's Hospital had inhaled. In early interviews, teens mentioned nicotine and T.H.C, he said."

Eight Milwaukee-area teens hospitalized with severe lung damage that may have been caused by vaping

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[zoiDman]

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Nope, no mention of that here at all. Don't know where that story came from but it wasn't out of here.


Zero mention of that locally. In fact there has been no mention, or details released, of what exactly they were vaping. To date the exact cause is unknown and still under investigation.

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Fear-mongering in Milwaukee - 8 hospitalized

 

[ShowMeTwice]

"Siblings of a 26-year-old man from Burlington also reported their brother was hospitalized in critical condition this week after vaping T.H.C. from a cartridge he bought on the street."

"Jonathan Meiman, chief medical officer with the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, said it's unclear what exactly the teenagers admitted to Children's Hospital had inhaled. In early interviews, teens mentioned nicotine and T.H.C, he said."

Eight Milwaukee-area teens hospitalized with severe lung damage that may have been caused by vaping

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2 separate cases Baditude. My post was specifically related to the 8 kids.
JSonline is not the most reliable source of news but believe what you will.
Everyone knows ALL news stories are HIGHLY accurate. Or so I thought...
The exact cause is unknown and under investigation.
But living here what do I know. Most amusing funny in fact.
Here from the ACTUAL folks conducting the investigation. Not some linked news report.

 

[Bronze]

People use all kinds of things to do harm to themselves or others. Things that were never intended for the purpose with which they used them for. Cars and knives come to mind.

 

[HigherStateD]

Not sure of a link, I'll try and dig one up, but I believe there was one confirmed case of a so called responsible adult dying from, and only with, that particular substance in their system, from a grey market source, no less.

As far as news stories go, and what propaganda the ministry of truth puts out there, and how much you believe, the one take away I am willing to assume is the cluster of teens, being the only known suffering such negative effects, is that they were most likely partaking in the next tide-pod vape challenge, or what ever.

 

[stols001]

Jeez, I drank straight past vomit stage to blackout stage to hospitalized to stomach pumped phase the first time I drank.

It didn't stop me, and if a headline appeared "Young innocent teen girl gets poisoned by Drambuie and is hospitalized... Well, it would not have phased me and furthermore, it was not reported on my the press.

To be fair, I never drank well, Drambuie again, but that's not much of a loss.

But, if every dumb decision stopped us from making the next one.... IDK I'd be the Chancellor of the world or something.

It is true that the strains out there now are UNLIKE anything of my youth.

I sort of preferred Mexican Ditchwater strain in some ways. FAR less paranoia to contend with.

Anna

 

[Alexander Mundy]

We used to extract back in the 70's and use a dropper into a hot pan. Vapor from one drop was enough so I can see where vaping from a mod wouldn't be wise unless it was diluted in PG or VG. Funny thing is I remember reading in (that subculture popular magazine) about making little battery powered boxes with nichrome wire for a heating element. Sound familiar?

 

[Hoggy]

unless it was diluted in PG or VG.

It actually doesn't mix with PG or VG, nor our type of flavorings.
(Just as an FYI)

(EDIT, at least not in my experiments, @HigherStateD. Although, it's most absolutely definitely certainly possible I could have screwed something up, or am remembering something wrong here. I really wouldn't put it past me... Not for a second! I know it didn't with at least PG and/or VG, though.)

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Not tempted in the least. Paranoia will destroy ya.

 

[Tabac man]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

 

[stratus.vaping]

2 separate cases Baditude. My post was specifically related to the 8 kids.
JSonline is not the most reliable source of news but believe what you will.
Everyone knows ALL news stories are HIGHLY accurate. Or so I thought...
The exact cause is unknown and under investigation.
But living here what do I know. Most amusing funny in fact.
Here from the ACTUAL folks conducting the investigation. Not some linked news report.

Many thanks for the PDF.

Solvents are used to extract the other stuff molecule/s from the vegetable matter as part of the process to make concentrates. Lazy/nasty folk use nasty solvents and/or an inflammable gas and don't bother about removing it all and any by-products.. Informed folk use an inert gas or that liquid that gets you ...... and take care with their chemistry.

Solvent/by-product left in whatever it was they vaped can ofc cause significant lung damage.

I'm being vague as I don't want to push the ECF rules. I hope!

I hope they find who sold that to those teens.

 

[Hoggy]

Solvents are used to extract the other stuff molecule/s from the vegetable matter as part of the process to make concentrates. Lazy/nasty folk use nasty solvents and/or an inflammable gas and don't bother about removing it all and any by-products.. Informed folk use an inert gas or that liquid that gets you ...... and take care with their chemistry.

Ah, exactly like de-decaffeinating coffee and tea, then. With the same problems, such as with unscrupulous producers of the cheap, generally China, loose-leaf teas. In my younger-and-stupider years, I remember getting a HUGE ~20LB bag or so of Chinese loose-leaf Pu'er tea for $5 and thinking I got such a great deal.