Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[HigherStateD]

Hey same here re levee! The Mississippi is three blocks away! But have no nic stash.

I more concerned about mods/atomizers than nic stash at the moment. Id like to have more than a handful of the mods I want, and supply of rda/RTAs. I see nicotine being more readily available for at least a year after the importing of hardware is cut off.

 

[Rossum]

I more concerned about mods/atomizers than nic stash at the moment. Id like to have more than a handful of the mods I want, and supply of RDA/RTAs. I see nicotine being more readily available for at least a year after the importing of hardware is cut off.

IMO, you've got that backwards. I think it's far easier for the FDA to cut off the flow of nic from the domestic vendors that we all use than the flow of hardware from Chinese companies.

 

[YorkMan]

Interesting thoughts. Maybe move across the pond.

Maybe dissolve some nic lozenges?

Maybe steep some tobacco?

 

[YorkMan]

Y’all are a clever bunch of people, I think we will figure something out!

Optimistic?

 

[HigherStateD]

IMO, you've got that backwards. I think it's far easier for the FDA to cut off the flow of nic from the domestic vendors that we all use than the flow of hardware from Chinese companies.

Does the PMTA or any actual law or bill cover liquid nicotine? As I understand things, the current debate is over FDA approval of delivery devices, but doesn't yet regulate DIY juice.

 

[YorkMan]

Perhaps a simple triode tube could be repurposed.....just thinking. They will always be available.

 

[englishmick]

Does the PMTA or any actual law or bill cover liquid nicotine? As I understand things, the current debate is over FDA approval of delivery devices, but doesn't yet regulate DIY juice.

As far as I know no regulations so far have covered nic. When the Indiana laws briefly came into effect banning the import of juice from outside the State I contacted my nic supplier and they said they weren't affected. Don't know whether that is true for other States that have banned imports of juice.

Do the federal regs cover the bottles juice comes in? I have a feeling it mandates childproof lids. And I recall talk of needing a new approval for any change to juice. And an approval for each nic level of the same juice and so forth.

 

[HigherStateD]

Perhaps a simple triode tube could be repurposed.....just thinking. They will always be available.

I've grown accustomed to squonking, and a good RDA should last for years. I have no issue harvesting batteries from power tool packs, so my main concern is stocking up on mods that suit my vaping style, or changing my vaping style to suit unregulated vaping, and get a couple of mods that can be fixed with a soldering iron and a new mosfet at most.

 

[Baditude]

Y’all are a clever bunch of people, I think we will figure something out! Optimistic?

For the long term? No.

Most veteran vapers have planned for the vapocolypse and have already stocked up on gear and nicotine. Learned how to DIY e-liquid.

I feel sad for those smokers who have yet to quit smoking and who will be at the mercy of whatever vape devices that Big Tobacco will have available for future vapers. A potential ban on vape flavors. Disposable closed system juice attachments for internal battery mods and disposable cigalikes will possibly be the only gear available on the market. As most of us know, most of these systems are less effective and really cramp one's style with limited options. We won't have anything close to the choices we have now.

 

[HigherStateD]

FDA notifies four companies to remove 44 flavored e-liquid and hookah tobacco products from the market for not having required marketing authorization

 

[rosesense]

It is my understanding that nic or anything else for that matter could be affected because of that statement about 'anything deemed a tobacco product' covers most all things vape related.

 

[mikepetro]

As far as I know no regulations so far have covered nic. When the Indiana laws briefly came into effect banning the import of juice from outside the State I contacted my nic supplier and they said they weren't affected. Don't know whether that is true for other States that have banned imports of juice.

Do the federal regs cover the bottles juice comes in? I have a feeling it mandates childproof lids. And I recall talk of needing a new approval for any change to juice. And an approval for each nic level of the same juice and so forth.

They may not "yet", but it sure seems like an obvious place to put a choke hold on renegade vaping.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I think the reason we have not really seen anything on how the FDA plans to address nicotine is because if they have their way they want it classified as a drug. Imagine having to get a script each time you want to mix a juice. ~Shutter~

 

[Bronze]

One of the things I have found with the vast amount of liquid sampling I did (particularly in my early days) is that each liquid maker had their own signature flavor. Didn't matter if you got a fruit, bakery, beverage, or tobacco flavor. There was always an underlying base/signature flavor that was unique to each vendor. My least favorite were those that had a floral base to them. There was simply nothing they could offer me that made any of their menu items vapeable to me. I always wondered what it was that caused this base/signature flavor. Was it the nic, PG, VG, or flavorings?? I assume it is the PG/VG but it would only be a guess.

 

[stratus.vaping]

That's an ultrasonic nebulizer. Actually pretty nice as they're small and run off batteries so they're easy to carry around, unlike the air compressor nebulizers. But the type of vapor they produce is cool, not the warm vape we're used to. There are already 2 ultrasonic vape mods on the market, neither of which have been well received in reviews. Haven't read anything from actual users on here on them.

As to hemp, there are several threads on this forum about using it as wicking material. Some liked and some didn't. If you Google it you'll find hemp packaged as wicking material if you want to give it a shot. I think there's even one drop in coil that's part hemp, like the Falcon tanks that are part wood pulp, I just can't remember the brand.

Ultrasonic mods have always had firing delay issues as well as the cool vapour ( which would suit me...). Imho they have to spend more cash than they want to build a small oscillator circuit with a short rise time that drives the ultrasonic transducer to frequency in a reasonable time. I did email one of the companies about this and what ideas they had but had no reply.

There's at least one real world review on here about one of those mods, with a discussion about that issue. Can't find it just now for some reason.

 

[Baditude]

I think the reason we have not really seen anything on how the FDA plans to address nicotine is because if they have their way they want it classified as a drug. Imagine having to get a script each time you want to mix a juice. ~Shutter~

Nicotine is classified as a "drug" now. It's just not in the classification of drugs that require a prescription.

 

[Baditude]

double post

 

[NolaMel]

Hey same here re levee! The Mississippi is three blocks away! But have no nic stash.

I’m about 3 blocks out too, and have 6 litres in the locking freezer. I do have a generator, but hurricane season if a storm is heading towards us, I freeze gallons of water in both freezers. It extends the time before defrosting hits. Of course if the levees ever break, we’ll be waving at each other from passing pirogues anyway. I am going to hedge my bets by moving half to the deep freeze in bama.

 

[Bronze]

I’m about 3 blocks out too, and have 6 litres in the locking freezer. I do have a generator, but hurricane season if a storm is heading towards us, I freeze gallons of water in both freezers. It extends the time before defrosting hits. Of course if the levees ever break, we’ll be waving at each other from passing pirogues anyway. I am going to hedge my bets by moving half to the deep freeze in bama.

I have the same problem here between canes and ice storms. Not to mention our power goes out when a gassy bird farts while perched on a wire. I have a gen and keep some frozen jug water in the chest like you. It all helps.

 

[Rossum]

Does the PMTA or any actual law or bill cover liquid nicotine? As I understand things, the current debate is over FDA approval of delivery devices, but doesn't yet regulate DIY juice.

There's little question that the Deeming allows the FDA to restrict nic base at any time if they are so inclined.

The real question is: How soon will they be inclined to do so?