Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Alexander Mundy]

Got this link from a CASAA email. It is a really good one.

https://www.iowaattorneygeneral.gov/media/cms/PMTA_letter__190724__headed_45164DED1A0BA.pdf

 

[CMD-Ky]

I have bottle of HHV Dragon's Fire that I drip into my squonking rda a few times a day. The flavor gets into the rayon and lasts a long time, a couple drops and that is strong enough for me.

I found the same thing about getting tired of flavors, that was about six months into vaping.

When I began tinkering with DIY, I very quickly learned that for me, far lower levels of flavoring were what I found enjoyable, and able to use all day. Then further on I began vaping flavorless, and an occasional addition of an already weak flavor to a tank or dripper. I haven't bought any commercial e-liquid in over five years now.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Got this link from a CASAA email. It is a really good one.

https://www.iowaattorneygeneral.gov/media/cms/PMTA_letter__190724__headed_45164DED1A0BA.pdf

I don't believe it, Alexander, you have found twelve rational men, one a politician! Thanks for the link, most encouraging.

 

[ENAUD]

I have bottle of HHV Dragon's Fire that I drip into my squonking RDA a few times a day. The flavor gets into the rayon and lasts a long time, a couple drops and that is strong enough for me.

I do the same with my REO.

 

[Zazie]

From Carolina Extracts...

Should I store Nicotine Products in the freezer?
No, Absolutely not. There are two components in 100MG/ML nicotine, either nicotine and vegetable glycerin, or nicotine and propylene glycol. Although most freezer units keep temperatures around zero degrees Fharenheit some will fluctuate downward by three to five degrees, and upward by two to three degrees. While propylene glycol is not readily affected by this temperature range, both Nicotine and Vegetable Glycerin are. Damage occurs to100mg/ml nicotine products when oxides form during near-freeze/thaw cycles. So while the ice inside stays "ice," outside temperatures, thermostat performance and the number of times the freezer door is opened will affect 100MG/ML nicotine in this sensitive temperature range. Typical refrigeration temperatures, or even room temperatures are a much safer storage range than 27-33F because they are well away from freeze/thaw potential.

But a decent freezer never gets as warm as 27-33F. My chest freezer is set at the lowest temperature and is not an auto-defrost. I store my nicotine on the bottom, where the temperature fluctuations caused by opening and closing the freezer are unlikely to affect it. I manually defrost the freezer every year or two when it's well below freezing outdoors (usually I wait till it's below zero), so I can move things onto the deck during the defrosting. I realize not everyone has the luxury (?) of living someplace where the temp drops that low, but I'm willing to bet an hour or two in a refrigerator freezer won't do too much harm.

So quick math...If I vape 100mls of e-liquid per month at 15mg how much will a liter of 100mg last? Would that be like 33-1/3 months or are you gonna make me get out a pencil and pad of paper?

Easy with a pencil: 1 liter of 100mg nic = 100,000 mgs of nic. 100mls @ 15mgs/ml = 1,500. 100,000/1,500 = 66 2/3 months.

 

[stols001]

You can freeze vodka (well it won't freeze) and quite honestly taste wise, I have no clue, Vodka always just tasted like Vodka to me, if I wanted to have less of a hangover I'd buy the more expensive stuff but I wasn't a "Vodka aficionado" although I DO like good wine.

I drank it for my Russian heritage. And, I salute the Russians for like, finding something fun to do with potatoes (and, also, ANYWHERE in Russia to have fun) but think about where they stored it. I mean, their homes were probably BARELY above freezing anyway. If you are dying to hoard also alcohol for the vacoopalypse (and I do not blame you) vodka should do.

Of course, a good wine only ages when you like, store it at room temp, for QUITE a long time depending on the wine.

So really you have options.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

Easy with a pencil: 1 liter of 100mg nic = 100,000 mgs of nic. 100mls @ 15mgs/ml = 1,500. 100,000/1,500 = 66 2/3 months.

Man, it is a good thing I made my living with words not numbers, I'd be homeless.

 

[Baditude]

I'm sure, but cost/savings means nothing unless I can mix a flavor I can vape. I'm as picky as it gets.

Same here. I learned how to DIY a couple of years ago. Tried maybe a dozen flavors that appealed to me on paper, but only one turned out to be one that was a "keeper".

I still have all my recipes, flavoring agents, nicotine, Pg, Vg, and mixing tools, but for the time being commercial liquids are the way I choose to vape at the present time. When commercial liquids hit the fan, at least I know that I will still be able to vape with DIY.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

I find flavors I like but after an hour I OD on them. And I have sampled literally hundreds of flavors.

I have had only one true ADV/EDV in my 8 year vape life. It's these reasons that scares me most about the vapeocolypse.

When I get tired of my flavor I add some menthol or creme de menthe and it revives it until the next mix. But I like fruit flavors mostly, so that works for me. Wouldn't dream of doing that to my desserts!

 

[Rossum]

I'm willing to bet an hour or two in a refrigerator freezer won't do too much harm.

I'm confident you're correct. The freezer samples in the Experiment thread all came out and went in the fridge overnight (along with the room temperature samples) prior to each photo session so that they would all be at the same temperature when the pics were taken. This ensures equal condensation on them instead of frost on the freezer samples and nothing on the room temperature samples. Anyway, I'm convinced colder is better over the long term, but there's no need to obsess over occasional warm-ups of short duration. Oh, and all my FL nic, including the freezer samples did revert to room temperature for about a week in 2017 due to the power outage that Irma caused here. Even that had no perceptible effect.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Oh, @Zazie brings up a point I hadn't thought of. The freezer I keep mine in isn't self defrosting either.

 

[Zazie]

Man, it is a good thing I made my living with words not numbers.

So did I. I merely dabble in arithmetic.

Vodka freezes just fine. The only reason to freeze it, though, is if you like ice-cold shots. It ain't gonna degrade at room temp.

 

[jandrew]

I find flavors I like but after an hour I OD on them. And I have sampled literally hundreds of flavors.

I have had only one true ADV/EDV in my 8 year vape life. It's these reasons that scares me most about the vapeocolypse.

Unflavored? Can't get simpler for DIY, and from there it is easy to do unflavored with a hint of xxx where you can taste and appreciate the flavor without getting flavor burnout in an hour.

 

[440BB]

So did I. I merely dabble in arithmetic.

Vodka freezes just fine. The only reason to freeze it, though, is if you like ice-cold shots. It ain't gonna degrade at room temp.

Vodka does mysteriously disappear at a higher rate at room temperature at our house, versus tucked away in the freezer.

Oh well, chalk it up to science.

 

[Zazie]

Vodka does mysteriously disappear at a higher rate at room temperature at our house, versus tucked away in the freezer.

Oh well, chalk it up to science.

You haven't been leaving out enough bowls of milk for the elves. They have to hydrate somehow.

 

[Bronze]

Instead of burning out on just 1 flavor have a couple or 3 to switch to during your vaping time. Gives the taste buds something to do now that we can taste again. Try it and see how it will work for you. Keeps me vaping.

Been there, done that too. I still vape other flavors but it makes up about 5% of my vape time. If I don't have a 95% liquid I'm in trouble and I know it. I'm generally not a picky person about many things but e-liquid is one that I am...sadly. I envy people who can vape a lot of flavors and like them.

So quick math...If I vape 100mls of e-liquid per month at 15mg how much will a liter of 100mg last? Would that be like 33-1/3 months or are you gonna make me get out a pencil and pad of paper?

Wait, a litre is 1,000 ml. So then 66-2/3rds months?

Easy with a pencil: 1 liter of 100mg nic = 100,000 mgs of nic. 100mls @ 15mgs/ml = 1,500. 100,000/1,500 = 66 2/3 months.

Oh, so then I was right. And I didn't even use a pencil.

 

[Eskie]

I don't believe it, Alexander, you have found twelve rational men, one a politician! Thanks for the link, most encouraging.

I want that jury if I ever end up in court.

As to nic (and vodka) in the freezer, let's remember neither freezes. Unless you have some specialized scientific freezer for saving samples for years at -60 degrees, the stuff remains liquid. There is no freeze/thaw cycle of the actual solutions.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I want that jury if I ever end up in court.

As to nic (and vodka) in the freezer, let's remember neither freezes. Unless you have some specialized scientific freezer for saving samples for years at -60 degrees, the stuff remains liquid. There is no freeze/thaw cycle of the actual solutions.

That jury does not exist, plaintiff's attorneys or criminal defense attorneys would exclude any one with that much sense.
Is there a warming and a cooling cycle? If so, is the warming and cooling an important consideration?

 

[englishmick]

That jury does not exist, plaintiff's attorneys or criminal defense attorneys would exclude any one with that much sense.
Is there a warming and a cooling cycle? If so, is the warming and cooling an important consideration?

I guessed there might be a problem with the de-icing process. Partly for that reason I got a manual defrost freezer, the other part being that they were cheaper. I mentioned that concern here recently. Someone who knew how freezers work posted information that convinced me it wouldn't be a problem at all. Basically they run a warm cycle frequently for a very short time. It shouldn't be enough to have any effect on the temperature of the contents of the freezer.

The other cycle that happens is the range over which the freezer turns on and off. From what I recall that is around 3 or 5 degrees. I'm not a chemist but I can't imagine that causing anything bad to happen to the nic solution.

I think it's all in the mind of whoever wrote that comment on the vendor website.

 

[Zazie]

It's ridiculous. Freezer temps don't hover around 32 degrees Fahrenheit.