Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Eskie]

He sold out, he needs to be gone. Let juul be run by BT out in the open, and known to all as what it is, a tobacco company product.

Maybe it will be less of a black eye to the rest of the true vaping industry.

What's the figure, 80% of vaping is already owned by BT with Vuse, Blu, and Juul already? We're tiny in comparison. Amazing if they spent time to kill off that 20%, especially if it means giving up flavors on their own products. In the meantime there was this little quote off of wnbc this morning. I guess we know who's ' profiting from this stuff going on.

"Altria Group Inc. said that K.C. Crosthwaite will become JUUL's new CEO, replacing Burns. Crosthwaite served as Altria's chief growth officer."

"Philip Morris International Inc. CEO André Calantzopoulos said Wednesday that the companies will instead focus on launching IQOS in the U.S. IQOS is a heat-not-burn cigarette alternative made by Philip Morris.

It was Crosthwaite, who will take over Juul, who headed the development of IQOS.

Altria's stock climbed 3.5% before the market opened, while shares of Philip Morris jumped 7.7%."

Juul to End Advertising and Lobbying Efforts of E-Cigarette

 

[DaveP]

Think "Windows Activation" like Pods paired to your JUUL Mod via your Adult Verified JUUL Account.

The best way to handle vaping in the press is to classify it for its original intent. Vaping is a relatively easy way to quit smoking. If you don't smoke, don't vape. If you choose to vape, learn what's good and what's bad in terms of vaping liquids. Don't vape any liquid that contains oil. Your vape should be water soluble. And again, vaping is designed to get people off of smoking. If stopping smoking is your reason to vape, do it. If you don't smoke you shouldn't vape.

 

[AttyPops]

It was Crosthwaite, who will take over Juul, who headed the development of IQOS.

Yep. HNB
And then there's RJR's VUSE Alto or whatever. (Vape)

 

[Baditude]

Children.
Do they let children speak at these things ? (after all...they are trying to SAVE THE CHILDREN !)
Children that WANT their parent(s) / grand parent(s) to be able to continue to have this method of harm reduction available to them...and to have a choice other than smoking cigarettes.

Children that don't want their parent(s) / grand parent(s) to go back to smoking cigarettes.
CHILDREN !
Ask the children of VAPERS.

 

[AttyPops]

Yep, everyone can play the propaganda game, eh?

 

[dreamvaper]

So the Juul's CEO is going to retire on Hawaii now, an IQOS dude from PM is replacing him now besides all the agreed term during the 35% stock acquiring (like no more stock purchase in the next 5+ years and not taking control on the the company) and here we are. Money rules no matter what.

 

[AttyPops]

This seems to be some of the data they're going off of. But the question I have is "what if some THC users lied and didn't cop to it?"



Anyway, interesting vid.

 

[englishmick]

He sold out, he needs to be gone. Let JUUL be run by BT out in the open, and known to all as what it is, a Tobacco company product.

Maybe it will be less of a black eye to the rest of the true vaping industry.

I wonder how much money he took with him when he left. My guess is he will be in pretty good shape.

 

[englishmick]

Eh, they don't need Russia anymore. Now the Ukraine is in play.

They are in pretty good shape anyway, they have Trump's mouth working for them.

I wish politics here could be as restrained and dignified here as it is in my home country right now.

 

[zoiDman]

Juul CEO resigns.

And replaced with a guy from Altria.

BREAKING NEWS
Juul Labs' chief executive, Kevin Burns, stepped down amid outrage over vaping. He will be replaced by an executive from the tobacco company Altria.
Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:39 AM EST
The executive, Kevin Burns, will be replaced by K.C. Croswaite, an executive from Altria, the major tobacco company that owns a 35 percent stake in Juul, the San-Francisco-based company.

Nope no BT in vaping around here.

That... is some VERY Dynamic News.

 

[Eskie]

So the Juul's CEO is going to retire on Hawaii now, an IQOS dude from PM is replacing him now besides all the agreed term during the 35% stock acquiring (like no more stock purchase in the next 5+ years and not taking control on the the company) and here we are. Money rules no matter what.

They're really, really serious about getting IQOS to be the single modified harm reduction tobacco product to dominate the market. They'll willingly kill off Juul and take the $16 Billion they invested as a tax write off. I have to hand it to them, they do play a great long game. Stock's up, competitors are being pushed right out, the future looks bright. Well played.

 

[zoiDman]

That... is some VERY Dynamic News.

And to make things Even More Interesting...

"In addition, Altria and Philip Morris International said on Wednesday that they had ended talks to merge, dashing the chances of reuniting the two arms of what had once been Philip Morris."

Juul Shake-Up: C.E.O. Steps Down

So I wonder did PMI pull out?
Or was it Altria who felt it was Better to Not move back into Mom's Basement?
Or Maybe the Feds were Indicating that it Wasn't going to be a Structure that Both PMI and Altria wanted?
Or did One or the Other (or Both) see problems getting a enough Votes to move Forward?
Or maybe JUUL's Leadership change threw a wrench into the Works?

 

[dreamvaper]

They're really, really serious about getting IQOS to be the single modified harm reduction tobacco product to dominate the market

I don't think so, IQOS will never be a popular device among (ex)vapers. For (ex)smokers maybe.
Why killing something that is selling in billions? They'll just kill everything else there is and get approvals for both IQOS and Juul.

 

[AttyPops]

They're really, really serious about getting IQOS to be the single modified harm reduction tobacco product to dominate the market.

I just don't see that as the entire future. They've played in the pod/ecig market too long. Unless some "smoking gun" (groan) is actually found to actually happen with ecigs and vaping, I think iQOS is a medium-range harm reduction product for SOME ex-smokers.

My guess is that people will overwhelmingly go for vaping over iQOS-ing, but some will want that cig-like aspect of it.

It's cigs they have to lose, and provide alternatives for while dominating the market. So no-nic cigs, iQUOS or vaping. Take your pick. All owned by BT. Oligarchy solution to smoking 101.

 

[Eskie]

And to make things Even More Interesting...

"In addition, Altria and Philip Morris International said on Wednesday that they had ended talks to merge, dashing the chances of reuniting the two arms of what had once been Philip Morris."

Juul Shake-Up: C.E.O. Steps Down

So I wonder did PMI pull out?
Or was it Altria who felt it was Better to Not move back into Mom's Basement?
Or Maybe the Feds were Indicating that it Wasn't going to be a Structure that Both PMI and Altria wanted?
Or did One or the Other (or Both) see problems getting a enough Votes to move Forward?
Or maybe JUUL's Leadership change threw a wrench into the Works?

Or maybe they don't want to taint the IQOS side of the business with the vape/e cig side.

 

[zoiDman]

Or maybe they don't want to taint the IQOS side of the business with the vape/e cig side.

Yeah... I'm just slumped over My desk with a Cup of Strong Coffee pushing pieces around a Dozen Chess Boards seeing all kinds of Possible Scenarios.

 

[AttyPops]

Fair enough. Where's @Badbeams3 and his crystal ball?

 

[Baditude]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I believe the long delay by the FDA, and even longer delay by the CDC in reporting what was causing the "vaping crisis" was in part a planned action. Or at the very least, they took advantage of the situation.

Taking into account that most of the heads of both federal agencies have worked for either Big Tobacco or Big Pharma, they apparently still have allegiances or ties to the corporate giants. A delay in reporting the facts fed into the media hysteria that all vaping was dangerous, and they didn't distinguish between nicotine harm reduction vaping, cannabis vaping, and the role that the black market products played in the crisis.

A delay may have changed the minds of smokers considering to switch to vaping. A delay may have scared current vapers to stop vaping (the recommendation made by both the CDC and the FDA). Vapers who may have quit vaping may have gone back to smoking (helping BT) or forced them to try pharmaceutical harm reduction products (nicotine gum/patches or psychotropic prescription meds like Chantix). The CDC also allegedly advised doctors to NOT run drug screens on patients presenting with the symptoms for lipid pneumonia. If true. Why?

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: Results from National Survey Show that CDC's Communication about Respiratory Disease Outbreak Has Been a Public Health Disaster

Vaping debate: U.S. is blowing "biggest public health opportunity" in 120 years amid e-cig debate, scientist says - CBS News

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/cdcs-bias-against-e-cigarettes-is-putting-kids-lives-at-risk/amp/?fbclid=IwAR00mxuZ2jDCOtQpvYeq_v8yRRUrFA10r5tujjH_7mOY1xhLLTyLFqXj-F8

Siegel: ‘Don’t let the CDC fool you;’ Agency is playing with children’s lives

https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/polit...3osdCykryNEvjTuVShEib-H2xhDvvyKJ6Csq5ZsAqM0jI

It all sounds pretty fishy to me. From a historical perspective, the policy makers were responding to a youth vaping epidemic, responding by proposing a flavor ban to discourage youth vaping, and then the mysterious vaping illness served as an accelerant Perfect Storm scenario to ban all vaping products.

 

[zoiDman]

He sold out, he needs to be gone. Let JUUL be run by BT out in the open, and known to all as what it is, a Tobacco company product.

Maybe it will be less of a black eye to the rest of the true vaping industry.

I can See that line of Thought. No Doubt.

But I can Also see how the Coalescing of e-Cigarettes under the Umbrella of a BT Monopoly could make a Regulatory Path much Harder.

Which May be an indirectly Good thing (depending on how you Read the Tea Leaves) for BT in general. But could be Bad thing for Vapers in a Post PMTA Era.

 

[Baditude]

I don't know if this will work on ECF. Live discussion about the mysterious vaping illness.