Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Channel 10 News Columbus finally aired a bit of my interview from the Ohio vape Rally. :lol: They used maybe 20 seconds of a 10 minute interview. You can see me at the 2:40 mark in the video about 3/4 of the way through. I discuss all of the failed methods I had tried to quit smoking. My first time on TV. :)

Vape shop owners say they too have been injured – by vaping news
 
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The people I worry about are those that have not made the switch yet and wont get the chance and those that have but are totally dependent on their local vape shop.

An example: There is an older gentleman that goes into our local vape shop here. He has to be pushing 80. He made the switch. He does not understand his device beyond how to fill and fire it. When the vape shop sees his car they pull a bottle of his favorite lemon doughnut liquid and a coil. He has no clue what those things are called. He is told but never remembers. The shop takes care of it for him so he can stay off cigs. If/When that shop closes due to regulations be it now or in may, he is SOL as are many other people.

THAT is the real crime in all of this in my book. We finally have a less harmful solution to a serious problem and everyone is ganging up to shut it down
 

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Trump administration to release important vaping decision next week.

Trump brings up flavors, but nothing specific.
Will move the age to purchase up to 21 everywhere.
Seems to not want to affect jobs in the vaping industry.

I get the feeling that flooding the White House and Twitter with comments is having an effect on his administration's plans. I highly encourage everyone to continue calling and Tweeting and leaving your comments every day until he releases his plans next week.

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President Trump says US may raise the vaping age to 21


President Donald Trump said Friday the administration plans to raise the vaping age to 21 “or so” but also suggested that the administration may be backing off plans to ban flavored e-cigarettes.

“We’re going to be coming out with a very important position on vaping,” Trump said. “We have to take care of our kids, most importantly, so we’re going to have an age limit of 21 or so, so we’ll be coming out with something next week very important on vaping.”

“We have a lot of people to look at, including jobs, quite frankly,” Trump said. “Because, you know, it’s become a pretty big industry.”
 

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Trump administration to release important vaping decision next week.

Trump brings up flavors, but nothing specific.
Will move the age to purchase up to 21 everywhere.
Seems to not want to affect jobs in the vaping industry.
Maybe I need more coffee, or I’m so tired of feeling like Chicken Little.... but that sounded vaguely optimistic, especially the part about vape industry jobs. Flavors didn’t sound like anything positive.... I have a blazing headache, someone tell me if they took anything else out of it
 

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I believe the vape industry jobs is a part of it for him, but I also believe that that's the top layer. Underneath, I think he realizes the potential loss of voter-ship if he goes against our industry.

I think we (vapers) finally got his ear! And isn't the rally this weekend timely. :thumbs:
 

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A chip in the pod that mates only to the approved battery, and also keeps count of puffs. The maximum puff count is estimated at just slightly over the theoretical # of puffs that the given pod can hold when factory filled. Once that maximum count is reached, the pod fails to fire.

It wouldnt stop someone from draining a factory pod and refilling it, but it would limit the potential for reuse. Essentially making it non cost effective to user to do so. Unless the the user is converting it to a Dank like product, but even then not very cost effective.

With appropriate encryption and Bluetooth pairing (or similar schema) counterfeiting would also be minimized.

Vuse had that at least 4 years ago for their cartridges. 200 or so puffs and it cut off regardless of what remained in the cartridge. There was a hack for that in some long lost thread on here about how to defeat that.

Anything can be hacked and reverse engineered. You can make it more difficult, you can even point out it's proprietary and patented, but the secondary overseas market that will build it doesn't care about your IP rights or even how difficult you made it. If there's sufficient margin they'll do it. And there's no doubt will be, as the authentics will be overpriced by BT and taxation, so you can be sure they'll be on the streets at a lower price point within months. Look at what IQOS sells for. Do you really expect that to not end up with cheaper knockoffs, once it's established that people will buy them?
 

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Look at what IQOS sells for. Do you really expect that to not end up with cheaper knockoffs, once it's established that people will buy them?
Those already exist.

Of course, I don't think PMI/Altria care how many cheap "compatible" devices appear on the market as long as customers buy the real Heet sticks.
 
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I believe the vape industry jobs is a part of it for him, but I also believe that that's the top layer. Underneath, I think he realizes the potential loss of voter-ship if he goes against our industry.

I think we (vapers) finally got his ear! And isn't the rally this weekend timely. :thumbs:
Voter pressure on any politician is always critical. And we have to remember we might be a significant voter block but there is at least as strong a voter block on the other side of the issue. I would argue it's much stronger. All said, I also believe Trump's final decision will only be as good as the people who surround him that are giving him advice. His HHS secretary is certainly no friend of ours. But perhaps others have wiggled their way into the debate as a result of our phone and email contacts. I keep going back to two things that would influence Trump favorably for vapers. One, his brother passing away from alcoholism. I'm pretty sure he would have welcomed an alternative, viable, less harmful alcohol product if it meant saving the life of his brother who he idolized. Two, this is the same president who enacted "Right to Try"...allowing terminally ill people the right to try unapproved drugs. The man has a heart for people who are in dire straights. That has to weigh in his decision provided he has at least some understanding of the value of vaping.
 

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Those already exist.

Of course, I don't think PMI/Altria care how many cheap "compatible" devices appear on the market as long as customers buy the heal Heet sticks.

And it was still approved for marketing. Guess that's not as much of an issue after all.
 

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“I hate tobacco issues, I always have,” Grogan said. “And FDA shouldn’t be regulating this stuff in the first place.”

"Tobacco products should be regulated," Grogan argued — "just by a different agency", though he did not specify an alternative. But he drew a line between therapeutic medical products and vices like tobacco. Tobacco “shouldn’t be regulated by a health agency,” Grogan said, since it has “no redeeming qualities.” Grogan clarified that the remarks reflected his personal views, not formal administration stances.

The remarks from Joe Grogan, the director of Trump’s Domestic Policy Council, came at a careening news conference... Grogan’s comments on tobacco come as the administration has wavered on its attempts to ban some flavored vape products. They also follow two years in which Scott Gottlieb, Trump’s former FDA commissioner, made tobacco and nicotine product regulation a focus of his tenure at the agency.

Top Trump official suggests tobacco regulation distracts from FDA mission

I think he brings up an interesting point. I've always believed e-cigarettes, or nicotine harm reduction vaping was far different than smoking combustable tobacco. From a scientific perspective, nicotine used alone is no more harmful than caffeine, and may have some benefitual health effects for many individuals. Granted, nicotine e-liquid should be regulated by some agency, but I'm not sure that the FDA should be that agency.

And since the CDC seems to be having issues differentiating nicotine vaping from marijuanna THC vaping ... what agency is regulating THC and CBD?
 
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