Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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What I took from Trump's comments were:
Vapers who called the White House and got on social media (Twitter) had a positive effect for our cause. I don't believe the administration had any idea how many vapers are so passionate about flavors and vaping in general. It was so unexpected that Congress questioned whether automated bots were being used.
Trump doesn't want to lose so many small businesses...and votes...to a flavor ban. People who lose their businesses to a flavor ban aren't likely to vote for him in the next election. I think the administration is trying to come up with a solution to preserve vape businesses yet come up with effective ways to limit youth vaping. Testamonies have all stated how important flavors other than tobacco and menthol are to vapers who have been able to stop smoking...at least 80% of those vapers use a flavor other than tobacco and menthol.
Hopefully people in the administration have learned that it has been primarily a few bad actors (Juul and Blu - Big Tobacco) who have promoted their products to the under-aged and who primarily sold their products to easily accessed gas stations and convenience stores, while the specialty vape shops do a much better job of age verification. I'm guardedly optimistic that some flavors will be acceptable if sold from a specialty vape shop.
And also, I hope the policy makers are now aware that the vaping illnesses and deaths can be attributed to unregulated black market THC vaping, something entirely different from regulated nicotine vaping.
Despite this glimmer of optimism, I want to emphasize this is no excuse to stop contacting the White House and other policy makers at this time. Keep hammering the phone lines and social media, especially Twitter.
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Oh. "Breaking news". "Shocker!"
CDC vaping illness investigation: Vitamin E acetate linked to THC may be to blame - CNN
CDC vaping illness investigation: Vitamin E acetate linked to THC may be to blame - CNN
We have seen time and again our leaders and politicians display a total ignorance about vaping...their risks and their benefits. I'm not sure that's even a priority for many of them. Who greases their palms, however, is.
Holly crap! I have never heard of vitamin E acetate in e-cigarettes. Has anybody ever heard of this? And why when PG and VG are much cheaper — and water soluble? The continual conflagration by the CDC is looking to be less and less like basic ignorance — and more and more a deliberate act.
CDC makes 'breakthrough' on vaping crisis, names vitamin E oil as potential culprit
CDC makes 'breakthrough' on vaping crisis, names vitamin E oil as potential culprit
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Id laugh if it hadnt caused "us" so much damage.
40 dead, nothing to laugh about.
Damage to Nic Vaping and the opportunity to enact a flash flood of bans, nothing to laugh about.
Permanent damage in the court of public opinion, nothing to laugh about.
And all the poor smucks who will never find this solution and die from tobacco use because of the previous 2 points, well .............
More from Joe Grogan - White House Domestic Policy Council on flavors and e-cigarettes.
User Clip: Joe Grogan - White House Domestic Policy Council | C-SPAN.org
User Clip: Joe Grogan - White House Domestic Policy Council | C-SPAN.org
I'd wager many of us put unknown things in our bodies when we were young without regard to the risks. Perhaps we should feel fortunate we did not meet the same fate as these 40 young people.
Thank you, boo. I have a headache I can’t get rid of today. It’s cutting into my comprehension skills lol. As usual, I expect them to waffle about until next week. Who knows if they’ll even make a decision by then either.What I took from Trump's comments were:
Vapers who called the White House and got on social media (Twitter) had a positive effect for our cause. I don't believe the administration had any idea how many vapers are so passionate about flavors and vaping in general. It was so unexpected that Congress questioned whether automated bots were being used.
Trump doesn't want to lose so many small businesses...and votes...to a flavor ban. People who lose their businesses to a flavor ban aren't likely to vote for him in the next election. I think the administration is trying to come up with a solution to preserve vape businesses yet come up with effective ways to limit youth vaping. Testamonies have all stated how important flavors other than tobacco and menthol are to vapers who have been able to stop smoking...at least 80% of those vapers use a flavor other than tobacco and menthol.
Hopefully people in the administration have learned that it has been primarily a few bad actors (Juul and Blu - Big Tobacco) who have promoted their products to the under-aged and who primarily sold their products to easily accessed gas stations and convenience stores, while the specialty vape shops do a much better job of age verification. I'm guardedly optimistic that some flavors will be acceptable if sold from a specialty vape shop.
And also, I hope the policy makers are now aware that the vaping illnesses and deaths can be attributed to unregulated black market THC vaping, something entirely different from regulated nicotine vaping.
Despite this glimmer of optimism, I want to emphasize this is no excuse to stop contacting the White House and other policy makers at this time. Keep hammering the phone lines and social media, especially Twitter.
Tonight's headline should read:
CDC and Sham Study Kills Dozens Of Americans
Absolute scumbags.
CDC and Sham Study Kills Dozens Of Americans
Absolute scumbags.
Jeez. This guy sounds like he's actually thinking about the issue which is a first for me. Hopefully he has the Royal Ear and can get some sensible policy results. Hard to listen to that and not feel a little optimistic.
I Hope people Stuck with that Video to hear the Last 2 Minutes.
Because our friend Joe's diatribe about what a Huge Waste of Time having the FDA Regulate Tobacco is Priceless.
Channel 10 News Columbus finally aired a bit of my interview from the Ohio Vape Rally.They used maybe 20 seconds of a 10 minute interview. You can see me at the 2:40 mark in the video about 3/4 of the way through. I discuss all of the failed methods I had tried to quit smoking. My first time on TV.
Vape shop owners say they too have been injured – by vaping news
Nice!
BTW, what's your vape in the video? Looks good.
I was amused that Grogan said he doesn't understand vaping because he was too old when it came on the scene. I'm probably twenty years older than he and I started vaping last year.
For those who'd rather read...
Top Trump official questions FDA tobacco oversight as vaping ban looms
President Trump’s top policy official said he thinks the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is wasting its time by regulating tobacco products.
Joe Grogan, the head of the White House Domestic Policy Council, told reporters on Friday that the FDA would be better off focusing its efforts on approving drugs that help people, rather than tobacco, which has “no redeeming qualities.”
“On a personal level, I hate tobacco issues, I always have, and FDA shouldn't be regulating this stuff in the first place,” Grogan said, before adding that he has never spoken to Trump about the issue, and it was just his personal opinion.
Grogan called the FDA’s efforts on tobacco regulation a “huge waste of time” and said the agency has been “sucked in the mud” dealing with tobacco rather than approving more drugs or focusing on serious illnesses.
“FDA regulates drugs, which help people … it regulates devices, which help people. Tobacco has no redeeming qualities” and should not be regulated by a health agency, Grogan added.
Vaping industry groups, as well as some of Trump’s political allies and campaign officials, have been urging the president to exempt mint and menthol flavors, as well as carve out vape shops from flavor restrictions.
They argue that removing all flavors from the market will lead to people losing jobs, and could drive people back to smoking traditional cigarettes. Industry groups broadly support raising the purchase age to 21.
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