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LET PEOPLE EVEN YOUNG PEOPLE OR DIUMB PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT AND LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUNCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CONSEQUENCES ARE A LIFE THING AND HOW YOU LEARN.
Yeppers, I think in the long run, we'd might be better off if we just let Darwin do his work. Right now, it seems that government is doing everything in its power to stymie him.
 

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That's why tobacco/nicotine has the reputation that it's the "most addictive substance" around. But I wonder how much the low success rate in giving it up is not that it's intrinsic more addictive, but rather the facts that it doesn't cause impairment or an inability to function, that it's unlikely to kill a person in the foreseeable future, and that it's readily, legally and relatively affordably available just about everywhere?
That could be some of it. But I'm also guessing cigarettes are just more addictive. Not just because of the nicotine, but because of the motions one goes thru to smoke. That's a big part of the habit. No addict drinks or does drugs for the process.
 

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Didn't they gut him like a fish? Just checking (although long term......)
 

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That's why tobacco/nicotine has the reputation that it's the "most addictive substance" around. But I wonder how much the low success rate in giving it up is not that it's intrinsic more addictive, but rather the facts that it doesn't cause impairment or an inability to function, that it's unlikely to kill a person in the foreseeable future, and that it's readily, legally and relatively affordably available just about everywhere?
I've always believed it was mostly a combination of 2 and 3. No immediate bad effect. Unlike say, drinking or some drugs: Doing stupid things, jail, DUI's, hangovers, losing job, family, ending up broke & homeless, etc. With smokes, it's just WAY too easy to procrastinate...I need to cut back. I'll quit tomorrow (next week, end of month, new years, etc.). Just one more smoke for now. Every time you'd quit, having that one more smoke just seems so easy to rationalize for just about any reason.
 

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That's why tobacco/nicotine has the reputation that it's the "most addictive substance" around. But I wonder how much the low success rate in giving it up is not that it's intrinsic more addictive, but rather the facts that it doesn't cause impairment or an inability to function, that it's unlikely to kill a person in the foreseeable future, and that it's readily, legally and relatively affordably available just about everywhere?
A key metric is "Does it make my life unmanageable", and the answer to that with regards to smoking is probably "No", at least not until you get health issues.
 

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That could be some of it. But I'm also guessing cigarettes are just more addictive. Not just because of the nicotine, but because of the motions one goes thru to smoke. That's a big part of the habit. No addict drinks or does drugs for the process.
Mmmmm not so sure about that. Being a recovering alcoholic myself, I can tell you that the hand to mouth action of drinking a beverage was a big deal. For the first few years I always had to have a beverage in my hand. Psychological though it may be, it was a very real need.
 

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Mmmmm not so sure about that. Being a recovering alcoholic myself, I can tell you that the hand to mouth action of drinking a beverage was a big deal. For the first few years I always had to have a beverage in my hand. Psychological though it may be, it was a very real need.
Perhaps you're an exception or even in the minority. Alcoholics I've known were interested in the buzz more than they were the method. Some mixed drinks in a glass and drank methodically. Some drank it straight. Some guzzled beer out of cans or bottles. Some never took the bottle out of the bag. Etc.. But I am guessing almost every cigarette smoker was addicted to the motions as much as any other facet of smoking. And when we smoke 20 - 40 cigarettes a day vs how many drinks per day???

But I mean, let's be honest here. Alcoholism, drugs, and smoking are all in the same league as far as hard core addictions go. But I know far more alcoholics and drug addicts who gave up their addictions yet remained smokers than the other way around and they've told me cigarettes were harder to quit. Perhaps for some of the reasons Rossum points out but also, IMO, because they are such a prominent part of our lives that go beyond the nicotine. Probably explains why vaping is more viable as a cessation method than patches and gum. We can still go thru the motions.
 

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Again and Again, this thread is for discussing Deeming Regs.

This is an e-cigarette forum for discussing e-cigarettes/vaping...not a personal blog for off topic ramblings.
Enough...just stop.

People don't want to hear it (Reported posts and PMs) and people don't want to wade through posts to find the meat of the topic.

And seriously...discussion of the usage of your nether regions is not a topic for anywhere on this forum.
Just no.
 

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Mmmmm not so sure about that. Being a recovering alcoholic myself, I can tell you that the hand to mouth action of drinking a beverage was a big deal. For the first few years I always had to have a beverage in my hand. Psychological though it may be, it was a very real need.

Interesting, Mike, I'll put that in my brain to think about at some length.
 

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Perhaps you're an exception or even in the minority. Alcoholics I've known were interested in the buzz more than they were the method. Some mixed drinks in a glass and drank methodically. Some drank it straight. Some guzzled beer out of cans or bottles. Some never took the bottle out of the bag. Etc.. But I am guessing almost every cigarette smoker was addicted to the motions as much as any other facet of smoking. And when we smoke 20 - 40 cigarettes a day vs how many drinks per day???

But I mean, let's be honest here. Alcoholism, drugs, and smoking are all in the same league as far as hard core addictions go. But I know far more alcoholics and drug addicts who gave up their addictions yet remained smokers than the other way around and they've told me cigarettes were harder to quit. Perhaps for some of the reasons Rossum points out but also, IMO, because they are such a prominent part of our lives that go beyond the nicotine. Probably explains why vaping is more viable as a cessation method than patches and gum. We can still go thru the motions.
Valid points, I gave up booze and dope, and I was pretty hardcore. One day at a time I have remained clean since 1988.

But I relapsed time and again with nicotine. I am very grateful for a less harmful delivery mechanism!
 

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Again and Again, this thread is for discussing Deeming Regs.

This is an e-cigarette forum for discussing e-cigarettes/vaping...not a personal blog for off topic ramblings.
Enough...just stop.

People don't want to hear it (Reported posts and PMs) and people don't want to wade through posts to find the meat of the topic.

And seriously...discussion of the usage of your nether regions is not a topic for anywhere on this forum.
Just no.

Disagree generally but specifically agree; nether regions, whatever those may be but I can guess, can be avoided. Perhaps something more specific would be helpful. This is too much like the kindergarten teacher chastising the whole class for the transgressions of the few.
 

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Disagree all you want with my post @CMD-Ky but when members complain it needs to stop
Maybe I could understand better if I knew what you were referring too. I wasn't seeing anything grossly off topic recently. Not that it wasn't, I just don't see it.
 

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Valid points, I gave up booze and dope, and I was pretty hardcore. One day at a time I have remained clean since 1988.

But I relapsed time and again with nicotine. I am very grateful for a less harmful delivery mechanism!
And you deserve credit for hanging tough and beating these horrible habits. I know it's not easy. I can't say I was at the addict stage of any of them (except cigs) but was the next thing to it.
 

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Disagree all you want with my post @CMD-Ky but when members complain it needs to stop

The squeaky wheel gets greased? My goodness, Classwife, give us a specific. Who complained about what? At least cite a specific offensive post.
 
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Ya know...
I don't sit here and read post after post in thread after thread - I have much better things to do.
When you see me appear for an action or a nudge it's because members have made complaints.
My job is to keep it a good place in here for everybody and if people are upset enough to report a post...that needs to be fixed.
 

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Ya know...
I don't sit here and read post after post in thread after thread - I have much better things to do.
When you see me appear for an action or a nudge it's because members have made complaints.
My job is to keep it a good place in here for everybody and if people are upset enough to report a post...that needs to be fixed.
That's fine. And no one expects you to be everywhere. But I haven't learned anything as far as who, what, when or where it went off the rails. More so, if it was me who derailed the thread! :shock:
 

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Disagree generally but specifically agree; nether regions, whatever those may be but I can guess, can be avoided. Perhaps something more specific would be helpful. This is too much like the kindergarten teacher chastising the whole class for the transgressions of the few.


Interesting that you changed your post from
Disagree generally but specifically agree, nether regions can be avoided.


The squeaky wheel gets greased? My goodness, Classwife, give us a specific.


You know good and well - knock it off.
 
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