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Halo Triton eGo-style starter kit with a tobacco flavored juice sampler kit. That stuff got me from 40+ a day to one a day in four days in mid December of 2013. On day five I drove an hour though a snow storm to what was then the closest B&M, where I upgraded to some bigger "spinner" type batteries, Pro tanks, and some non-tobacco juices. Boom -- I stopped smoking.

I think that was a prime time for it. The available gear was decent by then, much due to the trials and perseverance of the fine folks here on ECF in the preceding four or five years.

I started with a Riva 510 (had to look that one up) and shortly after switched to EGO. Dripping on a 510 atty. It took some persistence to quit with the old stuff, but many of us did it.

If vapes get kicked back to the "dark ages" I think that people will just mod the ever-loving :censored: out of it to get it to work. We did it once, we'll do it again.
 
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    I started with a Riva 510 (had to look that one up) and shortly after switched to EGO. Dripping on a 510 atty. It took some persistence to quit with the old stuff, but many of us did it.

    If vapes get kicked back to the "dark ages" I think that people will just mod the ever-loving :censored: out of it to get it to work. We did it once, we'll do it again.
    I agree completely.
     

    mikepetro

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    This was my first attempt back around 2011, tried it for 3 days and gave up on it. The device didnt function very well and the hit was not satisfying at all. I wasnt aware of places like ECF back then so I had nobody to help me make it work.

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    Then, in Feb 2013 a friend showed me an ego type device and said it worked for them. I went out and shopped for one and got this kit below for $80. It arrived on Feb 14th 2013 and I havent smoked since. Although I did upgrade my mod & tank within 2 weeks, and chased the dragon for a couple years after when Bright & Shiney would hit the market. I found ECF in 2013, and ECF enabled the chase. Then I learned how to build Mods and havent bought a Mod since.

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    AttyPops

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    :lol: I started with a Trio too. Got it in a tobacco shop.
    Found ECF and did a lot more research. Used 510 cigalikes and quickly migrated to the eGo style when it came out.

    IDK what was in the Trio pre-filled carts, but I think it sat on the shelf for at least a year and "smelled". But it had nic!
     

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    Cigarette Smoking Among U.S. Adults Hits All-Time Low | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC

    “This marked decline in cigarette smoking is the achievement of a consistent and coordinated effort by the public health community and our many partners,” said CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, M.D."

    Why do I get the Feeling that when Redfield say "our many partners" that he is Excluding e-Cigarettes?

    And one has to Wonder how much Lower the Smoking Rates would/could have been if the CDC and the "public health community and our many partners" hadn't Wage an All Out War on e-Cigarette use?
    It makes me sick that e-cigarettes do not factor in because even though there's millions of people who now Vape instead of smoking exclusively they're still not considered a smoking cessation device. And then conversely even though they're not attributed at all for the lowered smoking rates when they finally get their way and make e-cigarettes extremely difficult to get they will say see we told e-cigarettes lead to smoking completely disregarding the fact that the majority of the people were smoking before they came into contact with an e-cigarette and are only smoking cigarettes because they no longer can use their e-cigarette. Not to get political but they did the same thing with opiates. They are celebrating denying people in pain medication and how many fewer prescriptions were filled or given without taking into account that the overdose rates have actually risen steadily regardless of all of this and that street drugs are flourishing. And here's the kicker when a person can no longer get their prescription and cannot live or function with the pain and they do go to an alternative method of obtaining pain relief they count their previous prescription that they were on for 10 years without an increase or change in dosage as the on-ramp to the street drug addiction rather than drawing the obvious conclusion that the instigator was when they took the medication away not the medication itself. They would never have gone to street drugs had their doctor been allowed to continue treating their pain. I know this is not directly related to e-cigarettes but I see them doing the same things. And this is their playbook this is what they do. Time and again and it always has negative results and instead of actually looking objectively at what happened and why there was a problem and looking at the chain of events that led to one another they oversimplify it to fit whatever agenda they're pushing at the moment.
     

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    I think that is the Cruelest Penalty of the Deeming of e-Cigarettes.

    Because a Year from now, when the Market is Reduced down to a handful of PMTA-ed setups, some Smoker desperate to quit is going to buy One. And after a Day or Two they are going to say...

    "Man. I thought an e-Cigarette would be Better than this? And they Aren't even Cheaper than Smoking."

    To be 100% honest, that's my exact experience not even a year ago, but three years ago! I tried vaping and I thought it was meh. I'm in Asia BTW so smokes are relatively cheaper here than in US or AUS for example. So vape juice and devices are actually more expensive than smokes around here. And the flavors are pretty much puke. If they do a flavor ban from where I am, I wouldn't care much as I can go without it, the flavors available here are just waste of money. It takes a knuckle head like me to actually force myself to be addicted to vaping. I've pretty much done that. I have no comments on flavor ban and opinions in US and other places. I am still going to support the vaping community all day long. I'm just stating my experience in this particular comment. Cheers!
     

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    The whole war on vaping is stupid, American's have always been innovative and this is as bad as the war on drugs. It does not work, I agree, people will find a way.
    True, but I suspect it will be mostly current vapers who "find" a way. The majority of Tomorrow's smokers wont have a clue, unless they have somebody to guide them.
     

    AttyPops

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    Yeah, crime will likely increase. It's bad enough now with illegal trafficking of smokes and store rip-offs.
    E-cigs have been a major budget-break for us nic addicts, in an economy where 50% of the people are pretty much living week to week. Cigs and the NRT's are expensive. This all hits the poor the hardest, and they tend to be the heaviest users IIRC.

    Once people can no longer afford them, a few will resort to "other means".
     

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    I have been rather a downer in my attitude for a while now on how this is all going, but part of me clings to the fact that the tech has advanced, it's out there, and it's not really all that complicated.
    The FDA is fighting a war they cannot , in the end win, they are an absolute poor fit for regulating a product category such as "tobacco"... and they have "deemed" non tobacco products (vaping) as tobacco, and people are very resourceful when it comes to the actual free market, ie a need or want being met by a source for said need or want.

    This whole EVALI or vape related lung damage issue might actually play into our hands in the long game, much similar to bad moonshine injuries and deaths did to alcohol prohibition. I feel it might get ugly for a bit before the dust settles and cooler heads get more airtime in the public arena. We are in weird times...

    It just All seems so Unnecessary.

    I mean... I Get It.

    It's about the Money. And the Taxes. And the Weaponization for Political Gain. And a Media that cares more about Clicks/Agenda than they do about Facts or Science or Health.

    But All My Life people have Told Me that I had to Quit Smoking. That Smoking was the Single Greatest Health Risk in my life. And that I had to do Anything to find a Better Alternative to Smoking.

    Then Something comes along that Truly Does Work for a Large Majority of Smokers who have tried Everything. And is it Embraced as something that could be a Huge Benefit to Public Health?

    No. It Isn't.

    It is Maligned and Demonized. And it seems that there are No Limits to what Crooked Researchers will publish. Or Scared and FUD Tactics that the Org's will use.

    I'm just Sick of the Hypocrisy. And the Lies. And the Self-Righteousness of those who are supposed to be Doing All that they Do under the guise of "protecting someone".

    I guess the 49'ers beating the Point Spread last night Didn't help. But it just seems that Everyday it get's worse. And I'm Tired of it all.
     

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    It just All seems so Unnecessary.

    I mean... I Get It.

    It's about the Money. And the Taxes. And the Weaponization for Political Gain. And a Media that cares more about Clicks/Agenda than they do about Facts or Science or Health.

    But All My Life people have Told Me that I had to Quit Smoking. That Smoking was the Single Greatest Health Risk in my life. And that I had to do Anything to find a Better Alternative to Smoking.

    Then Something comes along that Truly Does Work for a Large Majority of Smokers who have tried Everything. And is it Embraced as something that could be a Huge Benefit to Public Health?

    No. It Isn't.

    It is Maligned and Demonized. And it seems that there are No Limits to what Crooked Researchers will publish. Or Scared and FUD Tactics that the Org's will use.

    I'm just Sick of the Hypocrisy. And the Lies. And the Self-Righteousness of those who are supposed to be Doing All that they Do under the guise of "protecting someone".

    I guess the 49'ers beating the Point Spread last night Didn't help. But it just seems that Everyday it get's worse. And I'm Tired of it all.
    I feel exactly the same, and my glimmer of hope is that the Great Britain example will show them all to be fools...
     

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    The whole war on vaping is stupid, American's have always been innovative and this is as bad as the war on drugs. It does not work, I agree, people will find a way.
    Seems like a toothpaste back in the tube scenario to me. The tech is out there and even though it will get more expensive and moslty illegal they can't stop it. I feel worst for current smokers that won't have the open choices we've had. That hallelujah moment when we first found a device/ juice that changed our lives. 3rd May 2016 was my moment and the device was an ego aio - 3 days later my last smoke. It's fascinating to read how a lot of you pioneered and persevered through the early days. Great stories.
     

    englishmick

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    I feel exactly the same, and my glimmer of hope is that the Great Britain example will show them all to be fools...

    If the smoking rate keeps going down there, and they manage to avoid letting Juul into the schools with 60mg nic, it would be hard to keep denying reality here.
     

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    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose... :rolleyes:

    After ten years, we're back to square one. But I'm with Enaud--I too believe that, in the words of Winston Churchill, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Maybe I'm being Pollyannish, but that's all I have left.

    Churchill was talking about the America of 70 years ago.
    Doubt he would have the same view today.
     

    Kent C

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    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose... :rolleyes:

    After ten years, we're back to square one. But I'm with Enaud--I too believe that, in the words of Winston Churchill, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Maybe I'm being Pollyannish, but that's all I have left.

     

    dreamvaper

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    IDK what was in the Trio pre-filled carts

    It's the same as Chinese tea production. What's good is being packed in boxes or pressed into round shapes and the "dust" left on the floor is being gathered and put to the tea bags of all brands. :D
    Same here, when Kanger produced their juices, anything what was left on the bottom of the big tanks was going to these prefilled carts. Was still better than regular cigs tho. :2cool:
     
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    Btw, I wonder if American Heart Association (AHA) aware of the recent publication from the Journal of the American College of Cardiology (JACC)
    which provides the most fascinating news for smokers who have managed to quit using e-cigarettes. Improvements in vascular function were observed as early as 1 month after making the switch. Similar improvements were observed for those using nicotine-containing and nicotine-free e-cigarettes, debunking a common myth (which has already been disproven through snus research) that nicotine contributes substantially to smoking-related cardiovascular risk.

    How are they going to explain that waste of the 20 Millions on fighting with vaping when even the American cardiologists are proving that there is no sense in it. :censored:

    Some more links on the topic:

    Expert Reaction to the VESUVIUS study comparing the cardiovascular effects

    Long-term smokers who switch to vaping ‘see health improve – ITV

    Vaping better than cigarettes for blood vessel health – Guardian


    Switch to vaping 'helps smokers' hearts'

    and the Best part:
    American Heart Association Urges Parents to Lie to Their Kids About E-Cigarettes and Not to Answer their Questions
     
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