Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Katya]

It was, however, by virtue of Conley gaining Trump's ear and laying out a complex and nuanced position in a few, well-considered, and impactful words that it was possible. I can hardly imagine a more high-risk, stressful, and hostile environment under which to advance one's position. We owe them our deep gratitude.

I agree. And I am grateful. FWIW. I can't imagine how stressful it must have been--knowing that the future of vaping depended on the few words he was allowed to utter in the room full of hostiles who looked like they were ready to eat him alive...

Agreed — njoy played it well.

He's a smart cookie, that CEO. I wonder if Njoy has a predicate device that is not subject to PMTA. And if such a device even exists. But if it does, it undoubtedly consists of a power source (battery), an atomizer of some kind (heating coil and vaporizing chamber), and e-liquids. A good lawyer can then claim that everything on the market today is SE (substantially equivalent) the that predicate device, because it is, really. I think that will be our next battle--claiming exemptions from PMTAs based on SE.

 

[Katya]

If he sees it on Twitter or FOX he'll be aware

Well, I heard one of the hosts on Fox this morning proclaiming that "Trump is right--prohibition does not work."

 

[Pigs]

Agreed — Njoy played it well. It was, however, by virtue of Conley gaining Trump's ear and laying out a complex and nuanced position in a few, well-considered, and impactful words that it was possible. I can hardly imagine a more high-risk, stressful, and hostile environment under which to advance one's position. We owe them our deep gratitude. But a few short weeks ago, with a richly-funded propaganda campaign funding fake "public health", and widely propagated by media, we faced a presidential proclamation to "ban the vape". Thanks to the truly extraordinary effort of many, our fortunes may have changed — at least for now.

So well put.

 

[NolaMel]

I agree. And I am grateful. FWIW. I can't imagine how stressful it must have been--knowing that the future of vaping depended on the few words he was allowed to utter in the room full of hostiles who looked like they were ready to eat him alive...


He's a smart cookie, that CEO. I wonder if Njoy has a predicate device that is not subject to PMTA. And if such a device even exists. But if it does, it undoubtedly consists of a power source (battery), an atomizer of some kind (heating coil and vaporizing chamber), and e-liquids. A good lawyer can then claim that everything on the market today is SE (substantially equivalent) the that predicate device, because it is, really. I think that will be our next battle--claiming exemptions from PMTAs based on SE.

I think their first device is pre PMTA, but I may be off by a year. Not sure I want to revisit aquarium filter bits and tiny mouthpiece “tanks” (term used very loosely) anyway

 

[AttyPops]

Blue foam! Blue foam!

lol

I'm gonna have to go back to dripping with old 510 atomizers! Groan....

 

[Bronze]

Fluval

 

[stols001]

I will say, ah there have been instances in the past where presidents have "tackled" and issue, and it has led to absolutely horrible results. Oh, you know, McCarthy and Communism, the war on drugs (to be fair that was kind of Nancy) Obama and healthcare, that type of stuff.

So let's just hope Trump tackles this with the right amount of force. Which would be enough force to put him into deep coma but not enough force to like, kill the guy on purpose or t least with some premeditation, as then he'd be up for treason/death/ having too many players on the field as the clock was restarted/deflating the pig skin so no one else can play, etc.

Anna

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Finally was able to watch the meeting and am astounded no one brought up a pivotal question. It was mentioned more than once that the rise in youth use coincided with "the introduction of flavors" and there was not a similar rise in adult use with "the introduction of flavors". (The term flavors used to indicate other than tobacco) WTH?!!? Of all the BS flung around, that should have been addressed. Flavors have been around long before the "epidemic". Someone should have keyed in on that undeniable fact which makes the whole premise that the data shows flavors are to blame faulty and asked just what then did coincide with the rise in youth use? Easy peasy to use closed systems with nicotine salts to lessen throat hit comes to mind and Legislators making a big deal out of eliquid flavors and of course everyone knows the best way to ensure youth want something is to tell them they can't have it.

 

[Eskie]

Fluval

Going high end, huh?

 

[Bronze]

Another thing that is glaringly wrong is how the anti-vaping forces lie about the dangers of vaping. Just saw another segment where they stated vape juice is loaded with toxic chemicals that destroy lungs. It went unchallenged. And of course they continue to blame vaping for these THC deaths. The two are conflated as if it were one in the same.

 

[DaveP]

Blue foam! Blue foam!

lol

I'm gonna have to go back to dripping with old 510 atomizers! Groan....

I still have some of those in a box in the closet! Found them recently.

I've bought half a dozen iStick Pico 75W lately to add to my collection for insurance. Average price paid about $19.99 each for mod only. You can't beat that for a good MTL vape.

I've found some here, but you have to jump on them before they sell out.
Eleaf iStick Pico 75W TC Mini Mod $19.31 - Cheap Vaping Deals

 

[Iron Molly]

I still have some of those in a box in the closet! Found them recently.

I've bought half a dozen iStick Pico 75W lately to add to my collection for insurance. Average price paid about $19.99 each for mod only. You can't beat that for a good MTL vape.

I have a LOT of the old 510 atties in my stash. For dripping, they really aren't bad. Good for testing flavors! If that's all I had I'd sure use those instead of smoking.

Edited to add it's pretty hilarious that the 1.5 ohm are "low resistance"!

 

[stols001]

I think we need a flavor manufacturer to like, go on TV or something and explain (with video) how the flavors we eat are the same as the ones we vape.

I had no idea how ubiquitous it is in everything, until I started DIY. I kept running into "Oh my goodness I have vaped THAT." They're in everything.

I'm so sick of flavor wars. Although I suppose they should be getting everyone motivated for deeming. However, perhaps it IS a smoke screen and by the time deeming shows up, everyone will be exhausted and jaded. LOL.

I am SO interested in what will happen on D day, and also so NOT waiting for that day.

It's kind of like if a meteor of anti-vape matter were gonna like, hit the earth, resulting in a lack of vaping sort of thing.... And you keep getting told "It may miss us! No it won't! It will miss us, etc."

I wish Gottleib were still head I always could never hate him and this is why. My worry though is, he saw the writing on the wall and went "I will not be part of this" and quit.

Anna

 

[Bronze]

I think we need a flavor manufacturer to like, go on TV or something and explain (with video) how the flavors we eat are the same as the ones we vape.

I had no idea how ubiquitous it is in everything, until I started DIY. I kept running into "Oh my goodness I have vaped THAT." They're in everything.

I'm so sick of flavor wars. Although I suppose they should be getting everyone motivated for deeming. However, perhaps it IS a smoke screen and by the time deeming shows up, everyone will be exhausted and jaded. LOL.

I am SO interested in what will happen on D day, and also so NOT waiting for that day.

It's kind of like if a meteor of anti-vape matter were gonna like, hit the earth, resulting in a lack of vaping sort of thing.... And you keep getting told "It may miss us! No it won't! It will miss us, etc."

I wish Gottleib were still head I always could never hate him and this is why. My worry though is, he saw the writing on the wall and went "I will not be part of this" and quit.

Anna

I think Gottleib tried to find common ground and when he saw that wasn't going to happen he got out while the getting out was good. Regardless of what he proposed it was going to hack off someone. Compromise is a dirty word these days.

 

[Rossum]

I am SO interested in what will happen on D day, and also so NOT waiting for that day.

Hang me, oh hang me, so I'll be dead and gone,
I wouldn't mind your hanging boys,
but the waiting takes so long,
I've been all around this world...

 

[MacTechVpr]

I think Gottleib tried to find common ground and when he saw that wasn't going to happen he got out while the getting out was good. Regardless of what he proposed it was going to hack off someone. Compromise is a dirty word these days.

Those are my principles. And if you don't like them ... I have others. — Groucho Marx

Good luck.

 

[Katya]

I think their first device is pre PMTA, but I may be off by a year.

I looked at the dates, and I think that only Ruyan was manufacturing ecigs in 2006.

Dragonite International - Wikipedia

So we're looking at Ruyan V8 (cigalike), pipe or cigarillo--all three-piece devices...

Not sure I want to revisit aquarium filter bits and tiny mouthpiece “tanks” (term used very loosely) anyway

The cart mods I tried: Highping mod, blue foam mod, Lipton tea bag mod, and straw mod.

I think I discarded the remnants of the blue foam, but I may still have some tea bags somewhere.

 

[Katya]

I am SO interested in what will happen on D day, and also so NOT waiting for that day.

Bad things are happening as we speak... So, if you haven't' done so already, now would be a good time.

"After passing through the Energy and Commerce Committee, HR 2339 is heading to a vote by the full House of Representatives. Although no vote is scheduled, we are expecting to see this bill move in December, before congress goes home for the holiday break. CASAA is asking our members to contact officials via email, social media, and written letters (or holiday cards.)"

 

[Katya]

Oh, and for those who don't remember Ruyan--or know nothing about it--enjoy!

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Oh, and for those who don't remember Ruyan--or know nothing about it--enjoy!

I never saw that advert before, thanks.