Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[AttyPops]

Yep. But if you look at never-nic-users, using nic results in a decrease in function.

So I'd assume it's a spectrum, with no-nic being the best, nic-no-smoke being in the middle somewhere, and smoking being the worst.

Let's hope that it approaches, is closer to the "healthy" range.

EDIT:
chart:

Hmmm It's a delta though. For the variable(s) measured.

 

[dreamvaper]

We're talking about the smokers who are switching or switched to vaping.
No smoking/no vaping is better of course, that's obvious. What AHA is telling (and paying a lot of money to promote) is that vaping is worse than smoking when it's proven to be wrong.

 

[AttyPops]

Absolutely!

As long as we're clear that nic isn't "100% safe", then we're all good.
I'm not critiquing your post nor the study.
I'm just pointing out (for the kiddies ) that such info doesn't mean it's safe.

 

[Rossum]

There have long been people in the medical field who believed that carbon monoxide rather than nicotine was the source of most of the heart and vascular health problems associated with smoking. E-cigs of course do not produce carbon monoxide.

 

[Bronze]

E-cigs of course do not produce carbon monoxide.

I know I can find people who think they do. Along with other deadly toxins that can kill a person at a moments notice.

 

[englishmick]

Absolutely!

As long as we're clear that nic isn't "100% safe", then we're all good.
I'm not critiquing your post nor the study.
I'm just pointing out (for the kiddies ) that such info doesn't mean it's safe.

All we really know about nicotine in vape form is that it's not as bad as nicotine in cigarettes. It may have negative effects, it may not. It might also have beneficial effects. So we shouldn't say it's 100% safe, but we should probably avoid saying it isn't 100% safe. We just don't know.

 

[Don29palms]

All we really know about nicotine in vape form is that it's not as bad as nicotine in cigarettes. It may have negative effects, it may not. It might also have beneficial effects. So we shouldn't say it's 100% safe, but we should probably avoid saying it isn't 100% safe. We just don't know.

I hope that is not what you meant to say or that I misunderstood. That's like saying the alcohol in wine is not as bad as the alcohol in brandy. Nicotine is nicotine. Most of the nicotine used in vaping is from tobacco. Nicotine in vaping is just as bad as nicotine in cigarettes.

 

[englishmick]

I hope that is not what you meant to say or that I misunderstood. That's like saying the alcohol in wine is not as bad as the alcohol in brandy. Nicotine is nicotine. Most of the nicotine used in vaping is from tobacco. Nicotine in vaping is just as bad as nicotine in cigarettes.

Yeah, I wasn't very clear there. Just being lazy with words.

What I meant to convey was that you would be worse off sucking down a certain amount of nicotine in cigarettes than sucking down the same amount of nicotine in vapes, due to all the additional bad stuff you would get from the cigarettes. The effect of the nicotine would be the same either way.

Although I guess it's possible that nicotine could have more effect on the body if it's accompanied by other related chemicals that enhance whatever it does. But that's a bit more science than I want to dig into right now. I'm in the middle of preparing an early TG dinner due to family schedules.

 

[mightymen]

New York Becomes First Large City To Ban Sale Of Flavored E-Cigarettes

 

[CMD-Ky]

New York Becomes First Large City To Ban Sale Of Flavored E-Cigarettes

That's it! I am going to NYC where the politicians care for me and will protect me from every evil. DeBlasio is my hero.

 

[DavidOck]

All we really know about nicotine in vape form is that it's not as bad as nicotine in cigarettes. It may have negative effects, it may not. It might also have beneficial effects. So we shouldn't say it's 100% safe, but we should probably avoid saying it isn't 100% safe. We just don't know.

I usually just say that it's at least 95% LESS HARMFUL than smoking. British Health backs me up on that. I don't say it's safe, even though in some cities ecig vape is actually cleaner than the air.

While from some years back, there's this on nic, from NIH

Nicotine as Therapy

"There's a cheap, common, and mostly safe drug, in daily use for centuries by hundreds of millions of people, that only lately has been investigated for its therapeutic potential for a long list of common ills. The list includes Alzheimer disease, Parkinson disease, depression and anxiety, schizophrenia, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and even pain and obesity. Why has interest in this potential cure-all been slow to develop? One reason: in its current forms the drug offers pharmaceutical companies no possibility of substantial profit. Another, perhaps more important: the drug is reviled as the world's most addictive. The drug, of course, is nicotine."

And this:
Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in... : Neurology Today

Bottom line seems to be that if you get your nic without combustion, nic - in smallish doses, of course, isn't really much - if any - of a problem, and may actually be beneficial.

Not that facts matter.

 

[Lowjumper]

I usually just say that it's at least 95% LESS HARMFUL than smoking. British Health backs me up on that. I don't say it's safe, even though in some cities ecig vape is actually cleaner than the air.

While from some years back, there's this on nic, from NIH

Nicotine as Therapy

"There's a cheap, common, and mostly safe drug, in daily use for centuries by hundreds of millions of people, that only lately has been investigated for its therapeutic potential for a long list of common ills. The list includes Alzheimer disease, Parkinson disease, depression and anxiety, schizophrenia, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and even pain and obesity. Why has interest in this potential cure-all been slow to develop? One reason: in its current forms the drug offers pharmaceutical companies no possibility of substantial profit. Another, perhaps more important: the drug is reviled as the world's most addictive. The drug, of course, is nicotine."


Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in... : Neurology Today

Bottom line seems to be that if you get your nic without combustion, nic - in smallish doses, of course, isn't really much - if any - of a problem, and may actually be beneficial.

Not that facts matter.

We have a library on ECF with a great amount of knowledge, very few people know it's there or use it.
Want to know what in nic is additive, it's there, studies on nic use it's there.
I laugh (and cry) every time someone comes up with how additive nic is, Nicotine by itself is not additive, this was common knowledge on ECF a few years ago.
Take a read, it's surprising how much we have forgotten!
WTA Refill Liquids

 

[Don29palms]

I usually just say that it's at least 95% LESS HARMFUL than smoking. British Health backs me up on that. I don't say it's safe, even though in some cities ecig vape is actually cleaner than the air.

While from some years back, there's this on nic, from NIH

Nicotine as Therapy

"There's a cheap, common, and mostly safe drug, in daily use for centuries by hundreds of millions of people, that only lately has been investigated for its therapeutic potential for a long list of common ills. The list includes Alzheimer disease, Parkinson disease, depression and anxiety, schizophrenia, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and even pain and obesity. Why has interest in this potential cure-all been slow to develop? One reason: in its current forms the drug offers pharmaceutical companies no possibility of substantial profit. Another, perhaps more important: the drug is reviled as the world's most addictive. The drug, of course, is nicotine."

And this:
Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in... : Neurology Today

Bottom line seems to be that if you get your nic without combustion, nic - in smallish doses, of course, isn't really much - if any - of a problem, and may actually be beneficial.

Not that facts matter.

If you want to be honest about it you should change AT LEAST to UP TO. At least implies 95% or more where up to means 95% or less.

 

[dreamvaper]

Nicotine by itself is not additive

I see kids who never smoked and started juuling high nic salts and they have a real addiction. When they run out of their pods and can't vape their regular amount they act the same as regular smoker who smoked his last cig. So what are they addicted to? Vapour? Vg? Pg? Or maybe Nic in this case?

you should change AT LEAST to UP TO

no it's actually "at least", there was a recent interview on the regulator's watch with the one of the original UK health specialists who made the statement and he was asked - after these few years do you still approve the 95% safer statement, he said that based on the new researches and studies we can tell that it's even more than 95% comparing to the regular cigs.

 

[Don29palms]

I see kids who never smoked and started juuling high nic salts and they have a real addiction. When they run out of their pods and can't vape their regular amount they act the same as regular smoker who smoked his last cig. So what are they addicted to? Vapour? Vg? Pg? Or maybe Nic in this case?


no it's actually "at least", there was a recent interview on the regulator's watch with the one of the original UK health specialists who made the statement and he was asked - after these few years do you still approve the 95% safer statement, he said that based on the new researches and studies we can tell that it's even more than 95% comparing to the regular cigs.

It's up to. There are other studies that come up with different conclusions.

 

[mikepetro]

Dont care what the studies say, I "feel" 100% better than when I smoked.
Studies be damned..........

 

[dreamvaper]

There are other studies that come up with different conclusions

right, there is also #QuitLying saying vaping IS smoking, so what?

 

[Don29palms]

right, there is also #QuitLying saying vaping IS smoking, so what?

The so what is you're wrong again.

 

[dreamvaper]

you're wrong again

how about showing some valid proofs?

 

[Don29palms]

how about showing some valid proofs?

How about you learn the meaning of what you're saying.