Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Philabos]

Not really news here, but WSJ has a small article on CDC findings about the explosive epidemic. They tested non smokers, smokers, and nicotine vapers for issues that recently made headlines. The only group that showed the issues with vitamin E were THC users, no issues with the other groups. The CDC has concluded THC was the cause.
What was headline news is now buried in two small paragraphs on page 6. Well, at least they reported the findings. My guess is most will not.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I remember Years Ago reading an OP-Ed in the WSJ when Light Cigarettes was a Topic of Debate. The premise of it was that Light Cigarettes was exactly what BT/Governments needed.

Not because they posed a Significant Public Health Benefit. But because it was shown that Smokers, on Averaged, smoked more Light Cigarettes per day than Regular Cigarettes.

And since Governments received Taxes based on Packs not on mg's of Nicotine, that was a Win for State/Fed Tax Collectors. And Selling More Packs is a Win for BT no mater how you Slice It.

Two for one at Jack Lalanne's! And here we thought it was all about 1965 "tar reduction"…

S'not!

Good luck.

 

[stols001]

"Light" cigarettes are usually made (or until now) were made by having a thicker, denser filter.

If all I had was a Virginia Slim I would tear the filter off as I thought, "Pardon, Ms. Slim but I am just NOT that feminine) and smoke that sucker like a Pall Mall.

Sounds like they are removing the nuclear option so yes, people will smoke more, die quicker and etc.

Maybe one could spray "new' low nic tobacco with nicotine, perhaps. Most people will just be confused and etc.

I bet they market them as "healthier" and that will be a DAMNED lie. Also, I never considered ANY type of cigarette "healthy" to be frank. They are ALL bad for you. I wasn't stupid, just addicted.

Anna

 

[AttyPops]

I bet they market them as "healthier" and that will be a DAMNED lie.

That part, no. I don't think they will. It will be "save the children" type of thing. Otherwise-future-smokers not getting addicted, and current smokers "should just quit" [or use big-pharma NRT's].

 

[cdmcfud]

Is'n it the smoke that causes the cancer? I never heard of nic causing cancer. Nic is just addicting. Why is lower nic better in cigs.

 

[Don29palms]

Is'n it the smoke that causes the cancer? I never heard of nic causing cancer. Nic is just addicting. Why is lower nic better in cigs.

What?

 

[AttyPops]

Is'n it the smoke that causes the cancer? I never heard of nic causing cancer. Nic is just addicting. Why is lower nic better in cigs.

The idea, supposedly, is that the nic is so low the "they" won't get addicted to the low-nic cigs...OR...they're used by people quitting the "habit" to get off the nic addiction.

At this point, it's just an "approved product", not mandated for all cigs. We'll see if that ever happens or not.

 

[WorksForMe]

The idea, supposedly, is that the nic is so low the "they" won't get addicted to the low-nic cigs...OR...they're used by people quitting the "habit" to get off the nic addiction.

At this point, it's just an "approved product", not mandated for all cigs. We'll see if that ever happens or not.

I had a couple friends that wanted to quit vaping. They thought if they dropped their nic to 0mg they could just quit. They were wrong. There's a lot more to this habit than just nicotine.

.

 

[markfm]

Is'n it the smoke that causes the cancer? I never heard of nic causing cancer. Nic is just addicting. Why is lower nic better in cigs.

Yes, it's the tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs), delivered in the smoke, that are the big cancer causers. The higher the "tar" in a cigarette, the higher the amount of TSNAs.

vaping, based on the couple of studies I've looked at, produces much lower levels of TSNAs than smoking our theheated tobacco like IQOS.

Tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNA) in heated tobacco product IQOS

Figure 1 near the bottom captures the levels. It's a logarithmic scale - each of the hash matks is 10x the value of the prior one.

 

[Rossum]

FDA permits sale of two new reduced nicotine cigarettes through premarket tobacco product application pathway

What I find most interesting about this is the fact that it took the FDA barely more than one year to approve this PMTA. That's a record. The few others that have been approved (some General snus and IQOS) took much longer.

 

[zoiDman]

What I find most interesting about this is the fact that it took the FDA barely more than one year to approve this PMTA. That's a record. The few others that have been approved (some General snus and IQOS) took much longer.

I imagine doing a PMTA for a Cigarette has to be Easier than doing one for an e-Cigarette or other Nicotine Product. Based on how much Baseline Data that is already Available.

And who doesn't Love a Cigarette that get's you $1.01 a pack + States Taxes?

They say they Don't. But they Really Do.

 

[Rossum]

I imagine doing a PMTA for a Cigarette has to be Easier than doing one for an e-Cigarette or other Nicotine Product. Based on how much Baseline Data that is already Available.

Maybe. Then again, perhaps I've failed to consider that when this PMTA was filed, back in early December of 2018, Scott Gottlieb was still in charge of the FDA and Very Low Nicotine cigarettes were a part of his "master plan", despite the fact that no such product existed on the market. Of course it was known at the time that 22nd Century Group had developed VLN strains of tobacco, and in fact had patented them. One might speculate that the FDA practically begged XXII to submit a PMTA...?

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe. Then again, perhaps I've failed to consider that when this PMTA was filed, back in early December of 2018, Scott Gottlieb was still in charge of the FDA and Very Low Nicotine cigarettes were a part of his "master plan", ...

That is a Very Good point.

And something I Hadn't considered.

 

[stols001]

Most smokers have no idea how much nic is in a cigarette. They just kind of know what they "like." American Spirits (those sneaky natives) have "no additives" but also the highest concentration of freebase nicotine in any cigarette on the market. At least back before whomever bought them out. It wasn't an "additive" because it was made from part of the plant.

While nic plays a ROLE in addiction certainly that is not all of it. Not by far. I would not even PRESUME to know what and how cigarettes are addictive but I know (for me) like, MAOI-a and b played a huge role. When I was chewing nic gum and knitting feverishly for 6 months, I also wanted to like, claw everyone's eyes out. Like, REALLY.

Come to think, me an Mr. A fought a lot during that time period. I thought we were going through a rough patch at the time. Guess it was just me.

Oddly enough, I was mostly serene during the pregnancy and nursing, even though I wanted to smoke Every,.Damn. Day.

I sort of think it might have been the hormones, that and detoxing off every OTHER bad thing I was doing. But I was like, SERENE dude. I completely went to work every day and made sure I was well swaddled from the mutagen gels I ran every day and I was super careful.

LOL except for the day after the BABY SHOWER AT WORK. OMG I cried almost that ENTIRE DAY. But it was EPICALLY bad. My supervisor had to come over after about 5 hours and say sharply, "Anna I get it, it was a BAD DAY. You are at work now. Knock it OFF."

Oooh, I could still wring the ex's neck for that day. But that yea, and apart from the ONE cigarette I smoked at my dad's wedding (I flew in 8 months pregnant from the US and he was a complete TOOL I regret NOTHING when it came to that cigarette in fact it was the second best cigarette I ever smoked, and yes ,I do RANK them and it had a HAZE of glory over it.) Well, I was oddly serene.

I think my subconscious was keeping me busy going, "Anna look you are SOBER. Take a good hard look at your life, your associates, and your baby daddy. You are going to need this information later in order to LEAVE. Smoking is the least of your problems."

That, or it was some sort of miracle. I did drink one 8 oz can of diet pepsi after my lunch walk at work and if the kid wants to blame me for that.... Well he can go right ahead I guess .

Anna

 

[hittman]

Towards the end of my smoking career, my brand of cigarettes went up drastically in price so I switched to a cheaper brand. In maybe a period of a month or two I noticed that I had gone from one to one and a half packs a day. I don’t know the nic content of those two but obviously the cheaper ones had less of something that I was compensating for by increasing my usage.

 

[stols001]

I don't want to be deemed today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am having a particularly like, unpleasant morning I don't feel good and I looked at this thread and just wanted to cry like a baby and call the FDA and tell them to take away all my other meds to, while they are at it, since they are so determined to ruin my vape life. Sigh.

Like, I got up and thought about the joys of shoving snus in my mouth and drinking coffee instead of vaping, and it was a Kafkaesque moment. Dude. I realize it is not gonna happen I am stocked up. But I thought about it, like "what if giant magnets in the sky or machines like he Triffids came and took away all my vape gear. You know.

I am very thankful to this thread for exciting my paranoia and starting my stockpiling, I mean.... I really freaked out. It is seeming justified.

I am also imagining the FDA deputizing "tobacco employee enforcement agents" and since they are no longer needed in the plant so much, the government sends them to your home with AK-47s and they come toss your house. It wouldn't be THAT shocking, the government will bend over for big tobacco EVERY time.

This could be the making of a great dystopian novel. If/when I ever retire, that's what I am going to do. Write a bunch of dystopian novels and totally have second career.
Anna

 

[mikepetro]

For some reason, I truly believe that vape will remain available.

In what form remains to be seen. Oh, and whatever is left will be taxed to all hell.

The tax revenue is what will keep vape alive...

 

[Rossum]

For some reason, I truly believe that vape will remain available.

In what form remains to be seen. Oh, and whatever is left will be taxed to all hell.

The tax revenue is what will keep vape alive...

I suspect the surviving form(s) won't have more appeal to any of us than paying outrageous taxes will.

But people who haven't made the switch, who don't know any better, well, it offers some hope.

 

[StormFinch]

I suspect the surviving form(s) won't have more appeal to any of us than paying outrageous taxes will.

But people who haven't made the switch, who don't know any better, well, it offers some hope.

Or at least it will if the Health Nazis don't succeed in convincing them all that their heads will explode if they even touch it.

 

[stols001]

I think vaping will survive in some form like similar to Mexican skunk weed or you have to go to Amsterdam to get something good and you marvel at all the shops and stuff. And be like, "No, I can't hide that in my suitcase."

Only yes, taxes on the vape equivalent of Mexican skunk weed.

Eventually there will be a resurgence.

If/when it all changes well it's been fun being a "before" and part of the wild world of vape.

I STILL DO not WANT TO BE DEEMED today.

Anna