Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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The old "if I had a nickel for every rumor I'd be rich" deal.
I get how FUD stirs rumors and attempts at reading the tea leaves, but the issue I have is if every little rumor drives an unnecessary concerted response, those responses become less effective and more difficult to maintain when the time comes when real, concrete action is required. Getting blasted with the same email and phone blitzes become less impressive as time dilutes their effectiveness. I have little doubt that the sudden, concerted calls, tweets, emails, and letters made the White House take another look at what was going on when the flavor ban announcement first came out. But after a while they're gonna stop paying attention to the same message every time someone sneezes.
If I were running CASAA or the VTA, I'd be concentrating on getting as much media airtime as I could, encouraging interviews with people like Dr. Michael Siegel. That affects public perception as a whole rather than just a purely political push. When someone like Glantz is on, I'd call and demand equal time over a contentious issue with multiple opinions. This requires a PR strategy beyond just asking vapers to call or tweet the White House.
Agreed. But the other side of the coin is that if / when it really happens maybe the first we hear is the final announcement. They know better at this point than to give us advance warning. This particular rumour appears to have some fairly well connected people behind it.
According to anonymous sources this rumor has some fairly well connected people behind it.
I understand the panic. I also understand that people need to protect themselves. Unfortunately the government, regardless of political party, is going to do what they're going to do. I hate to tell anyone but vaping is not a huge issue. The taxes collected or not collected is a huge issue.
According to anonymous sources = We made up this BS!
I love it here. It’s got great social and health care benefits if you need them that many states don’t offer.
The Christmas flavor ban rumor is mean spirited, a tactic to frighten shop owner and spoil their Christmas. It seems to be working brilliantly.
All the focus so far has been on the business interests of the speciality vape shops. It's fine with me to have those shops but for the sake of others, not for me. I wonder what percentage of vapers are like me, buying almost nothing from traditional US retail. I've been assuming that anybody who plans to be a life long vaper will be mixing and rebuilding sooner or later. If that was the norm there wouldn't be many vape shops.
I owned a small business that might have been crushed at any moment by the big players' mistakes or jealousy or changes in consumer preferences. Finally it happened but I had not borrowed any money, didn't live high off the hog. It was a soft landing for everybody.
We could have a smoke free world by persuasion instead of coersion, vaping makes it possible, but our leaders oppose that.
All the focus so far has been on the business interests of the speciality vape shops. It's fine with me to have those shops but for the sake of others, not for me. I wonder what percentage of vapers are like me, buying almost nothing from traditional US retail. I've been assuming that anybody who plans to be a life long vaper will be mixing and rebuilding sooner or later. If that was the norm there wouldn't be many vape shops.
I owned a small business that might have been crushed at any moment by the big players' mistakes or jealousy or changes in consumer preferences. Finally it happened but I had not borrowed any money, didn't live high off the hog. It was a soft landing for everybody.
We could have a smoke free world by persuasion instead of coersion, vaping makes it possible, but our leaders oppose that.
I wish I could know what our [bought and paid for] leaders actually think, and if they're really as stupid about this issue as they come across as.
We could be working on the political part. What elected officials need to be opposed. How are vapers persuaded to identify the bad apples and vote against them? If there was visible organized action for that the politicians would notice even before voting. Then if we managed to dump a bunch of them we'd get even more attention. Regardless vapers could easily become a persistant political movement like the gun people. They will never resect us but we can teach them to fear us.
The problem is voting based on any single issue, whatever issue, is a dangerous endeavor. It's never going to happen but we need representatives that are going to do their job and represent all their constituents and that involves compromise. And it needs to be realistic compromise to actually solve a problem. Our politicians are willing to sacrifice public health and freedom for tax dollars. That's not right. I have no idea how to change that.
How you change that is vote against candidates who don't protect your interests. When it comes to my health I'm selfish (I'm not refering to the medical system). I eat what I determine is healthy for me and that would only be compromised for the sake of my nearest and dearest. I won't malnourish myself for the sake of anyone's utopian vision. Interference with access to vaping products is an existential threat to my well being and I'll vote against anyone who does that. I'm flexible on many, probably most issues. I'm not flexible about access to vape products. I was single issue on vaping in 2016 and voted for Trump.
I hear ya and I agree. The biggest problem I think with vaping is both sides are paid by big tobacco and pharma and both sides want the tax revenue from both of those. Both sides of the political aisle are also dealing from a position of ignorance. If you watched any of those hearings about vaping you can see what utter idiots we have representing the people. These career politicians live in their own world and have no idea how most people live. I'm pretty sure that the lifestyle in Washington DC is not like the rest of the country. A good answer might be term limits but that's laughable and another can of worms. Just for the record I voted against Hillary.
And now eightvape won’t sell to anyone in Massachusetts. I even used a different shipping address.
mass doesn’t have a vape ban. Only on flavored juice.
mass doesn’t have a vape ban. Only on flavored juice.
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eta: Have to include this link too as I wouldn't want one side to think I'm biased towards one or the other..
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Welcome to the same problem Arkansas has been having for years.
Certain cities do. They either haven't had/don't want to take the time to fix it or don't want to spend the money for a cart system that can differentiate between San Fran and San Diego.
As I said, unfortunately this is the same wall I and other Arkansans have run up against. Online sales of e-juice is banned unless the the retailer has an Arkansas license. As mentioned above, why separate out what can be sold from what can't when it's easier just to block out the whole state?
Eventually some online sellers will fix their systems and at least sell equipment, Element Vape for one did.Welcome to the same problem Arkansas has been having for years.
I didn’t realize this was happening in Arizona. I can’t imagine they won’t to lose money from hardware as juice too. They’ll go out of business just banning states from all their inventory. I’m sure some kind of computer code could separate juices from hardware hopefully.
Certain cities do. They either haven't had/don't want to take the time to fix it or don't want to spend the money for a cart system that can differentiate between San Fran and San Diego.
As I said, unfortunately this is the same wall I and other Arkansans have run up against. Online sales of e-juice is banned unless the the retailer has an Arkansas license. As mentioned above, why separate out what can be sold from what can't when it's easier just to block out the whole state?
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