Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Alexander Mundy]

So I took the time to listen to most of the House debate that just ended. Besides my ire at some of the debate, I am not clear on what the outcome. Seems a full vote of whether it goes up for an actual vote is now needed?

"POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS - At the conclusion of debate on H. Res. 866, the Chair put the question on ordering the previous question and by voice vote, announced that the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Burgess demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question on ordering the previous question until a time to be announced."

 

[WorksForMe]

So I took the time to listen to most of the House debate that just ended. Besides my ire at some of the debate, I am not clear on what the outcome. Seems a full vote of whether it goes up for an actual vote is now needed?

"POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS - At the conclusion of debate on H. Res. 866, the Chair put the question on ordering the previous question and by voice vote, announced that the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Burgess demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question on ordering the previous question until a time to be announced."

I'm not an expert on legislative process, but Res. 866 says they have to vote on H.R. 2339 within 90 minutes of the end of debate. They can make a motion to recommit, which would reopen debate.

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[zoiDman]

I'm not an expert on legislative process, but Res. 866 says they have to vote on H.R. 2339 within 90 minutes of the end of debate. They can make a motion to recommit, which would reopen debate.

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That is the way I Understand it also.

That Res. 866 is a procedure to End the House's process, and then bring the Bill to a Floor Vote.

 

[440BB]

That was painful. Praise of Glantz even. It may not ever reach the floor of the Senate but just hearing the crap being spewed about what we know can be lifesaving was disgusting.

 

[mikepetro]

So I took the time to listen to most of the House debate that just ended. Besides my ire at some of the debate, I am not clear on what the outcome. Seems a full vote of whether it goes up for an actual vote is now needed?

"POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS - At the conclusion of debate on H. Res. 866, the Chair put the question on ordering the previous question and by voice vote, announced that the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Burgess demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question on ordering the previous question until a time to be announced."

From CASSA:

(Update - 02.27.20)
Today, the House of Representatives voted to move forward (210 yea - 200 nay) with considering HR 2339 and allowing for 90 minutes of debate prior to a vote. There is now bi-partisan opposition to this bill.

CASAA has learned that the language from HR 4742 (tax parity across all tobacco products--linked below) is now included in HR 2339. This new language would tax vapor products at a much higher rate than the federal tax on cigarettes.

The 90 minutes of debate and a vote on HR 2339 is expected to begin around 9:00 AM, Friday, February 28.


Please continue reaching out to your representatives urging them to
VOTE NO on HR2339

• You can watch live coverage of the House of Representatives on C-SPAN or here - BETA | House FloorCast

Following the vote on the resolution to consider HR 2339, House Democrats are taking a second look at the consequences of criminalizing menthol cigarettes. In an op-ed published today in The Hill, Rep. Yvette Clarke (NY-09) draws attention to the social justice issues surrounding prohibition on a product that is disproportionately consumed by black people who smoke. According to POLITICO, this criticism is peeling Democrat votes away from the bill. It remains to be seen if this will be enough to defeat the bill in the Democrat controlled House and if the bill will be amended to remove a menthol ban.

 

[zoiDman]

...

CASAA has learned that the language from HR 4742 (tax parity across all tobacco products--linked below) is now included in HR 2339. This new language would tax vapor products at a much higher rate than the federal tax on cigarettes.

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Well that is just Fg Great.

Or maybe it just Gives More Cover to be Defeated in the Senate?

 

[mikepetro]

Well that is just Fg Great.

Or maybe it just Gives More Cover to be Defeated in the Senate?

Gotta substitute that tobacco settlement somehow.

 

[zoiDman]

Gotta substitute that tobacco settlement somehow.

True...

But if an Amended version of HB 2339 with HB 4742 Taxes actually passed, how much of the Revenues would go to Individual States?

 

[Alexander Mundy]

True...

But if an Amended version of HB 2339 with HB 4742 Taxes actually passed, how much of the Revenues would go to Individual States?

Oh I'm sure they will try to roll vape into the MSA also.

Currently I have avoided just short of $60K in nicotine tax if the tax from HB4742 passes.

 

[Katya]

Today, the House of Representatives voted to move forward (210 yea - 200 nay) with considering HR 2339 and allowing for 90 minutes of debate prior to a vote. There is now bi-partisan opposition to this bill.

So we have a coronavirus pandemic, the stock market crash and a hostile Marxist takeover of the Democratic party, and the House of Representatives is busy debating banning flavored eliquids....

Or maybe it just Gives More Cover to be Defeated in the Senate?

You really think Mitch will even bring this bill up? Ever?

Dear Lord....

 

[zoiDman]

So we have a coronavirus pandemic, the stock market crash and a hostile Marxist takeover of the Democratic party, and the House of Representatives is busy debating banning flavored eliquids....

Yeah... Is that Seven Trumpets I hear blowing Sweet Rock n' Roll?

You really think Mitch will even bring this bill up? Ever?

Dear Lord....

 

[Katya]

Yeah... Is that Seven Trumpets I hear blowing Sweet Rock n' Roll?

More like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Katya]

According to POLITICO, this criticism is peeling Democrat votes away from the bill.

FWIW, my representative (D) voted No. Interesting.

 

[englishmick]

Anyone know what drove this vote? I would have expected a large majority of both parties to vote Yes, why was there such a large No vote on the republican side? The Dem vote didn't surprise me at all, but I've never noticed any hint of widespread pro-vaping sentiment on the Rep side other than a handful of supporters.

Was it just Dem House, Dem Bill, so we vote No? Did Trump whisper in their ears? Were they told McConnell would bury it so it didn't matter? Was there something else in the bill they don't like? Or something going on that we don't know anything about?

 

[Jingles]

Casaa just released a statement that the Whitehouse is going to oppose House Bill 2339! Not enough evidence of harm! I am paraphrasing because I don’t know how to copy a a FB post. Best news I have heard all day!


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[Katya]

From CASAA

BREAKING NEWS: (VAPING FLAVOR BAN) White House releases statement OPPOSING HR 2339, says claims unsupported by "evidence regarding harm reduction and American tobacco use habits" ("teen epidemic?"), warns President will be advised to VETO if passed as is!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/SAP_HR-2339.pdf

 

[JustWondering1]

Casaa just released a statement that the Whitehouse is going to oppose House Bill 2339! Not enough evidence of harm! I am paraphrasing because I don’t know how to copy a a FB post. Best news I have heard all day!


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I am so happy to hear this!!

 

[vaper1960]

Just wanted to say (since this thread was started by Oliver) hope you are doing well and all of us at ECF wish you the best... we will continue to honor your wonderful forum. (maybe that sounded lame, but just wanted to remind everyone who started this thread)

 

[Bronze]

FWIW, my representative (D) voted No. Interesting.

Give your D any reason to think it’s a racist bill and they’ll vote no.

 

[AttyPops]

<Kristin's post quote>

Therein:

The bill takes the wrong approach to tobacco regulation. Rather than continuing to focus on the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products, Congress should implement President Trump’s Budget proposal to create a new, more directly accountable agency within the Department of Health and Human Services to focus on tobacco regulation. This new agency would be led by a Senate-confirmed Director and would have greater capacity to respond to the growing complexity of tobacco products and respond effectively to tobacco-related public health concerns.

So WOW. So "suck it, FDA and Congress".

IDK if this is major enlightenment, or just an election year, but I'll take either.
Wonder what they think of the May deeming?