Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[CMD-Ky]

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Brusardo still doesn't get it though either. The CDC and WHO see nothing any clearer now than they've ever seen it. This has never been about health or teen epidemics. It is now and has always been about power and money. 2 sides of the same coin.

The minute that vaping was framed in terms of a quasi medical smoking cessation method it landed squarely in the crosshairs of those in power who stand to lose vast astronomical piles of money if it delivers on it's promise.

If it had been promoted as an adult "vice", just like smoking and alcohol or even junk food, it would have been treated just like smoking and alcohol or even junk food.

vaping was banned decades before there was even such a thing as vaping because looooong before vaping became a thing, the citizens of this country surrendered the very rights that Brusardo mentions.

Why?

Because they blindly trusted that the blood sucking power mongering parasites they vote into office actually care about them and their children.

Ironically, and in ways that are personally surprising to me, Donald Trump may be at least somewhat of an exception because he is not a career politician. He thinks like a public sector businessman and actually has a sense that what he does as president he will one day soon have to live under as a once again private businessman. Yes, he clearly loves the power and position, but being president, a politician, does not define his life like it does the rest of these people.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Brusardo still doesn't get it though either. The CDC and WHO see nothing any clearer now than they've ever seen it. This has never been about health or teen epidemics. It is now and has always been about power and money. 2 sides of the same coin.

The minute that vaping was framed in terms of a quasi medical smoking cessation method it landed squarely in the crosshairs of those in power who stand to lose vast astronomical piles of money if it delivers on it's promise.

If it had been promoted as an adult "vice", just like smoking and alcohol or even junk food, it would have been treated just like smoking and alcohol or even junk food.

Vaping was banned decades before there was even such a thing as vaping because looooong before vaping became a thing, the citizens of this country surrendered the very rights that Brusardo mentions.

Why?

Because they blindly trusted that the blood sucking power mongering parasites they vote into office actually care about them and their children.

Ironically, and in ways that are personally surprising to me, Donald Trump may be at least somewhat of an exception because he is not a career politician. He thinks like a public sector businessman and actually has a sense that what he does as president he will one day soon have to live under as a once again private businessman. Yes, he clearly loves the power and position, but being president, a politician, does not define his life like it does the rest of these people.

It's amazed me how so many could suspend disbelief to conceive that the necessary outlays and allocations to protect the consumer right could be dispensed with. Without a market there is no business.

Had we persisted as a dismissible "hobby", an artisanal quirk of diy juice makers and modders, the industry could have grown like clover underneath it all. It's ubiquitous acceptance as prevalent as smoking ever was. Objections to it as evidently absurd to all as they are in practice to us.

As I've often said, vaping is more like cooking than most anything else that we do. And who would presume to outlaw cooking?

Good luck all.

 

[CMD-Ky]

As I've often said, vaping is more like cooking than most anything else that we do. And who would presume to outlaw cooking?

Not all cooking should be banned but rather only cooking not deemed healthy by those who know best.

 

[Bronze]

Brusardo still doesn't get it though either. The CDC and WHO see nothing any clearer now than they've ever seen it. This has never been about health or teen epidemics. It is now and has always been about power and money. 2 sides of the same coin.

The minute that vaping was framed in terms of a quasi medical smoking cessation method it landed squarely in the crosshairs of those in power who stand to lose vast astronomical piles of money if it delivers on it's promise.

If it had been promoted as an adult "vice", just like smoking and alcohol or even junk food, it would have been treated just like smoking and alcohol or even junk food.

Vaping was banned decades before there was even such a thing as vaping because looooong before vaping became a thing, the citizens of this country surrendered the very rights that Brusardo mentions.

Why?

Because they blindly trusted that the blood sucking power mongering parasites they vote into office actually care about them and their children.

Ironically, and in ways that are personally surprising to me, Donald Trump may be at least somewhat of an exception because he is not a career politician. He thinks like a private sector businessman and actually has a sense that what he does as president he will one day soon have to live under as a once again private businessman. Yes, he clearly loves the power and position, but being president, a politician, does not define his life like it does the rest of these people.

A clergyman once told me decades ago that Americans would gladly surrender their civil rights as long as they were allowed to keep their boats and BMWs.

 

[Bronze]

Not all cooking should be banned but rather only cooking not deemed healthy by those who know best.

After eating my wife's meatloaf I side with those who want a cooking ban.

 

[CMD-Ky]

After eating my wife's meatloaf I side with those who want a cooking ban.

In forty years of eating Mrs CMD's cooking, I have experienced only one really bad meal - a chicken liver casserole, we were a tad on the emproverished side and the meal was cheap to fix. It was not cheap in the end, it all went to waste not waist.

 

[zoiDman]

Not only would I choose my job to eat, I would choose my job to assist in overcoming the fools who suggested the economic catastrophe in the first place.

If we had done the Alternative, and just let things run their course, wouldn't there have been an Economic Catastrophe anyways?

And wasn't the Prevailing Thinking (at the start) that if this Virus is going to die back when the weather get's warmer, then we can Preserve Essential Services like Hospitals/EMT's if we can Slow the rate of Infection?

 

[CMD-Ky]

A clergyman once told me decades ago that Americans would gladly surrender their civil rights as long as they were allowed to keep their boats and BMWs.

It appears that they may be unable to keep boats and BMW's (unemployment does that) but they will give up their liberty on the word of a government career bureaucrat and a computer program projection. Computer - garbage in, garbage out.

 

[CMD-Ky]

If we had done the Alternative, and just let things run their course, wouldn't there have been an Economic Catastrophe anyways?

And wasn't the Prevailing Thinking (at the start that) if this Virus is going to die back when the weather get's warmer, then we can Preserve Essential Services like Hospitals/EMT's if we can Slow the rate of Infection?

Who knows, Sweden seems to be doing rather well. We fall into line on the word of a career bureaucrat and a computer projection that is continuously "revised".
NYC and Detroit are messes, densly populated areas perhaps should follow the CDC but Montana?

 

[Bronze]

In forty years of eating Mrs CMD's cooking, I have experienced only one really bad meal

Mrs. CMD makes a good case for polygamy.

If you don't mind sharing, that is.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

If we had done the Alternative, and just let things run their course, wouldn't there have been an Economic Catastrophe anyways?

Maybe, maybe not:Sweden could reach 'herd immunity' in weeks, top doctor says

I guess it's possible we've done massive damage to ourselves, only to prolong the suffering until herd immunity is reached. Keep an eye on Sweden, and we should know the answer in the coming weeks.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Mrs. CMD makes a good case for polygamy.

If you don't mind sharing, that is.

I could not handle two Mrs CMD's.
Opps, I just saw your smaller font comment, I would have little to say about it.

 

[Bronze]

I could not handle two Mrs CMD's.
Opps, I just saw your smaller font comment, I would have little to say about it.

You're still ahead. Mrs CMD can't handle one of you.

 

[zoiDman]

Who knows, Sweden seems to be doing rather well. We fall into line on the word of a career bureaucrat and a computer projection that is continuously "revised".
NYC and Detroit are messes, densly populated areas perhaps should follow the CDC but Montana?

That's the Problem. What might work in Cascade County Montana isn't going to work in NYC. Or Detroit. Or LA. Or ...

A Visa Versa.

But anyway you Slice it, there was going to be an Economic Collapse. So we Can't really say that if we had just done ______, all this could have been avoided.

(Not say'n that you said that.)

 

[CMD-Ky]

Maybe, maybe not:Sweden could reach 'herd immunity' in weeks, top doctor says

I guess it's possible we've done massive damage to ourselves, only to prolong the suffering until herd immunity is reached. Keep an eye on Sweden, and we should know the answer in the coming weeks.

Given the political climate here, I wonder about the data collection. I think that some of Dr Brix comments may be encouraging padding the deaths. I hope we will know but I have skepticism about accuracy.

 

[CMD-Ky]

You're still ahead. Mrs CMD can't handle one of you.

Oh, if only that were true. I will share your comment with her - her reaction is below:

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe, maybe not:Sweden could reach 'herd immunity' in weeks, top doctor says

I guess it's possible we've done massive damage to ourselves, only to prolong the suffering until herd immunity is reached. Keep an eye on Sweden, and we should know the answer in the coming weeks.

Yeah... I have been following them since they said they Wouldn't implement any stringent restrictions.

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Given what you know about the USA, do you think that would have worked here? With News Reports of Dead Bodies piled up in Ice Hockey Rinks like Cord Wood?

Not sure how much Stomach the American Population would have for Mortality Numbers in the 300k ~ 400K range?

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Given the political climate here, I wonder about the data collection. I think that some of Dr Brix comments may be encouraging padding the deaths. I hope we will know but I have skepticism about accuracy.

I think there's no doubt padding case and death count is still happening. Died? check. Similar symptoms? check = Recorded case. It's been well documented that doctors reports are fairly subjective, and they've gotten instructions not to ascertain confirmed cases. And look at the number of cases and deaths vs. number of tests done.

But to me, now that they've started it, that's not even as important as being consistent, so we can properly follow trends to make decisions.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Yeah... I have been following them since they said they Wouldn't implement any stringent restrictions.

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Given what you know about the USA, do you think that would have worked here? With News Reports of Dead Bodies piled up in Ice Hockey Rinks like Cord Wood?

Not sure how much Stomach the American Population would have for Mortality Numbers in the 300k ~ 400K range?

Here in the land of "safe places" from hurtful words? No, US would not have the stomach for it.

 

[Kent C]

But anyway you Slice it, there was going to be an Economic Collapse.

Nott so sure. How about, no economic shutdown, no economic collapse. Perhaps a million dead, unlikely due to herd immunity, but not 30-40 million out of work.