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Nott so sure. How about, no economic shutdown, no economic collapse. Perhaps a million dead, unlikely due to herd immunity, but not 30-40 million out of work.
Some 14 million Americans commit suicide during the Depression. With half the population. Just for starters.
 

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Nott so sure. How about, no economic shutdown, no economic collapse. Perhaps a million dead, unlikely due to herd immunity, but not 30-40 million out of work.

Not going to get into a Big Debate over it.

But if you Lost Million of Workers from the workplace (including Essential Services) you're not going to be on a good Economic Footing.

And I'm not sure How Many States could effectively weather that kind of Tax Revenue reduction? As well as the Trickle-Down to the Financial/Credit Markets for the Dept they Hold that would Now Be Worthless.
 
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...since pg and vg are humectants, increasing humidity, perhaps piping them into hospitals would be effective :) (jk for those who have been around here for awhile)...
Saw a clip of a doctor saying you could mount a couple UV lights and low volume fans (circulating up) on a ceiling in, say, a small eatery and it would wipe out the virus spread. Sounds absurd at first but it sure would be nice to know how effective (or not) it is. I'm no epidemiologist.
 

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Not going to get into a Big Debate over it.

But if you Lost Million of Workers from the workplace (including Essential Services) you're not going to be on a good Economic Footing.

And I'm not sure How Many States could effectively weather that kind of Tax Revenue reduction? As well as the Trickle-Down to the Financial/Credit Markets for the Dept they Hold that would Now Be Worthless.
You might be overlooking a couple of things. All the deaths would not be workers. Roughly 75% of deaths are those 65 or older, and far less likely to be in the workforce, and likely on the receiving end of government benefits. And almost all deaths are those with underlying conditions (read: net cost to the system with insurance and health support).

So, sorry to sound cold, but the numbers look like a "culling" of this sort might actually be an economic benefit to the system. Not saying I'm a proponent, but if you're going to discuss the potential cost, my pragmatism forces me to point that out.
 

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Not going to get into a Big Debate over it.

I hear ya

But if you Lost Million of Workers from the workplace (including Essential Services) you're not going to be on a good Economic Footing.

All I'm saying is that 1 million over the whole country wouldn't have the "collapse" that 30-40 mil. would have.
 

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From yesterday...

I question that data from the WH.

It would seem that if that data was accurate then places like India (damn hot & humid), Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc wouldnt be having the issues they are also having with this bug.

But I am just a layman.......
 

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You might be overlooking a couple of things. All the deaths would not be workers. Roughly 75% of deaths are those 65 or older, and far less likely to be in the workforce, and likely on the receiving end of government benefits. And almost all deaths are those with underlying conditions (read: net cost to the system with insurance and health support).

So, sorry to sound cold, but the numbers look like a "culling" of this sort might actually be an economic benefit to the system. Not saying I'm a proponent, but if you're going to discuss the potential cost, my pragmatism forces me to point that out.

True... No number of Deaths would be 100% Workers. But in Our Society, it Doesn't need to be to have a Massive Economic Impact.

There just aren't that many Households anymore where if 1 Breadwinner was removed, that the Household could remain viable with who's left to pay the Bills.

And the Risk to States is the Social Services burden would be too Upside Down. Less people Paying in Compared to More People needing something.

Don't get me Wrong. I'm not say'n I Like the situation we are in Right Now. It is a F:censored:ing Mess. And we might Not see the levels of Economic Gains we have enjoyed for 5 Years of Longer. Maybe in My Lifetime.

But I think it was the Lesser of Two Evils. And as was Mentioned, the US Populace doesn't/wouldn't have had the Stomach to go down the Other Road.
 

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Roughly 75% of deaths are those 65 or older, and far less likely to be in the workforce, and likely on the receiving end of government benefits.
Yup, and that wouldn't break the governments heart.

I been thinking lately about, how in the animal world, the predators take out the sick and old ... the ones that can't keep up with the herd.
Isn't that exactly what this virus is doing too us.

Personally, I've started taking care of a few details in my life, that I should of already done.
Not because I'm fatalistic, but because I'm old, and have COPD....a prime suspect.
It's not a good time to be stupid, and think "It will never happen to me"
Once, and if I caught it, it would be to late to do anything, and I would probably be gone in a week.

Here's hoping vaping will save me ... odd's are looking up according to the news.
Maybe I should increase my nicotine :p
 

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I question that data from the WH.

It would seem that if that data was accurate then places like India (damn hot & humid), Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc wouldnt be having the issues they are also having with this bug.

But I am just a layman.......
I look at it as being one factor of many.
 

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I question that data from the WH.

It would seem that if that data was accurate then places like India (damn hot & humid), Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc wouldnt be having the issues they are also having with this bug.

But I am just a layman.......
Humidity is a large factor.
 

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I question that data from the WH.

It would seem that if that data was accurate then places like India (damn hot & humid), Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc wouldnt be having the issues they are also having with this bug.

But I am just a layman.......
Yeah. In fact it makes no sense at all to me. Isn't the humidity in your respiratory system closer to 80% than 20%? What kind of respiratory virus thrives in low humidity? Seems the virus thrives in 98ish F and moist environments. Maybe it's true somehow on surfaces, but sounds totally counterintuitive to me.
 

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Yeah. In fact it makes no sense at all to me. Isn't the humidity in your respiratory system closer to 80% than 20%? What kind of respiratory virus thrives in low humidity? Seems the virus thrives in 98ish F and moist environments. Maybe it's true somehow on surfaces, but sounds totally counterintuitive to me.
When someone sneezes, for example, the snot doesn't fly as far in higher humidity. It weighs it down so instead of flying 6 feet in low humidity it will fly only two feet in high humidity. YMMV and does not apply to a farmer's blow.
 

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A clergyman once told me decades ago that Americans would gladly surrender their civil rights as long as they were allowed to keep their boats and BMWs.

Smart man. This is exactly true. I have actually been told by people that they prefer "security" over having to give up things they have or to have to change their way of life.

Oddly enough, the vast majority of them share a common thread, but I won't go there as it would not be PC to even think it, let alone mention it.
 
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When someone sneezes, for example, the snot doesn't fly as far in higher humidity. It weighs it down so instead of flying 6 feet in low humidity it will fly only two feet in high humidity. YMMV and does not apply to a farmer's blow.
LOL. You're a man of much, and some arcane knowledge, Bronze. I never would've thought to take into account the snot trajectory in varying atmospheric conditions! :thumbs:
 

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