Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Kent C]

He really didn't understand anything.

Well he wasn't the politician, but the doctor "correcting" the politician.

 

[Katya]

Well he wasn't the politician, but the doctor "correcting" the politician.

I know. God bless his heart. Let's hope he's better at doctoring than he's at explaining things.

 

[BillW50]

Yup. This and juul and their stupid marketing to teens everywhere on social media. Sigh.

Don't forget that teen vaping really had taken off once the FDA showed kids the vape videos showing how cool vaping is.

 

[Letitia]

Teen vaping was very big in all the small towns around here way before "save the kids" was even an agenda. They liked smok & clouds then; nowadays it's more about pods.

 

[Opinionated]

That is a misstatement.

The issue was comorbidity, not preexisting conditions. Most all death certificates show comorbidities along with the primary cause of death.

The CDC said 94% of Covid deaths included comorbid factors. A Kansas politician distorted that statement on Facebook and Twitter to further his agenda. Both platforms removed those posts as misleading and potentially harmful.

From the Wichita Eagle yesterday -

We've lost three family members to Covid during this pandemic, two of them otherwise healthy in their 40's. All three have comorbidities on their death certificates.

Changing one word in the CDC statement is misleading and dangerous. Checking the facts and sources is necessary and important.

Now let's get back to the Deeming issue!

Sorry to hear about your loss ..

 

[sofarsogood]

Quick question cause I don't want to start another thread. How is unflavored liquid? Is it enjoyable?

i you find unflavored and nothing else add flavor after making sure it's safe for inhalation.

 

[Qew]

@440BB I'm so sorry for your losses.

 

[Katya]

nowadays it's more about pods.

Around here, it's all about cannabis nowadays. It's legal and comes in all kinds of flavors that appeal to children.

 

[stols001]

Well, @440BB it may have been the politician's misstatement but in my case it was mine-- I used the wrong term, because I was aware it was co-morbidities, although I'm not going to delve into the issue further other than to apologize for my misstatement and for your family's losses.

I will not apologize for deeming because frankly I did EVERYTHING I could the whole entire time I smoked to minimize my tax burden until the politicians ferreted it out, such as importing Russian Marlboros (One of the very few times you can say, "Mom, why do the Russians get everything nice?") buying off tribal lands and using tubes tobacco mixes and injector tubes. Even bought BASICS in college. Were it not for the FREQUENCY and intensity of my tax burden I might have paid more in vape sales tax. Really.

Anna

 

[f1vefour]

Teen vaping was very big in all the small towns around here way before "save the kids" was even an agenda. They liked smok & clouds then; nowadays it's more about pods.

Exactly, it went from 0 nic clouds bro clouds to maximum nic juuling.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

"And, “For those who think they’re in the 6% range where they don’t have any comorbidities and they’re just fine, the problem is they will transmit (COVID) to those who do,” Moore said."

If your parents didn't have any children, there's a good chance that you won't have any. - Clarence Day

 

[HigherStateD]

Around here, it's all about cannabis nowadays. It's legal and comes in all kinds of flavors that appeal to children.

Yes, but that is naturally occurring fruity boulders flavor...

 

[BillW50]

Big Tobacco Is About to Dominate the E-Cig Industry | The Motley Fool

A disproportionate burden

Amanda Wheeler, the owner of five Jvapes vape shops in Arizona, Colorado, and Oklahoma, explained the situation this way: "Let's say I have 100 products and each of the flavors has five nicotine levels, which means five SKUs per flavor, legal and other fees will cost my stores in excess of $5.5 billion. There's not a small business owner in the United States who can afford $5.5 billion for SKU applications."​

 

[markfm]

That would be $11,000,000 per PMTA

 

[f1vefour]

That would be $11,000,000 per PMTA

According to the article:

Although the FDA estimates a single PMTA costs anywhere from $117,000 to $466,000, those figures are considered low by the industry. The Rocky Mountain Smoke-Free Association estimates a single PMTA costs between $8.6 million and $11.1 million per stock keeping unit (SKU).

 

[markfm]

According to the article:

I'm not disagreeing with you, just the numbers for the person who was talking about $5.5 billion to do 100 flavors x 5 strengths/flavor. 5,500,000,000/(100x5) seems way off.

 

[f1vefour]

I've emailed Rocky Mountain Smoke-Free Association and requested they elaborate on the source of their figures.

 

[BillW50]

I've emailed Rocky Mountain Smoke-Free Association and requested they elaborate on the source of their figures.

I believe this will explain how expensive this is. The process and costs are sickening.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I believe this will explain how expensive this is. The process and costs are sickening.

Thanks for this Bill. At 17:48> Dimitri points out…

"…very important here to understand that this bill
the tobacco control act…
makes no provisions that ban the
import of the banned items for personal
consumption only for sale or distribution."

The reference regulated items, I believe, would have been a more appropriate description of the subject banned items, i.e. regulated vaping [tobacco] products.

Reaffirming assertions I've made earlier.

Good luck.

p.s. Still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Dear FDA, want to "save the children"?

I would settle for parents actually being responsible for their children versus hands off and letting government have their way.