Do We Need To Stock Up Because Of The Ban?

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Vaporer

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Sun,

The key word there is "ambient" temperatures. Cooling should slow the degradation.
I'm stocking as I can. I rotate my older stuff out and put the new in cold storage.
If not dated I date it. I buy more than I need when I purchase and put some back.
I made a couple large juice purchases to get started along with some spare parts.
I'm not throwing every penny at it. Nic juice is my main concern.
I'm working on some mod units that use normal batteries and also just abt have an atty to test. A couple on here have sucessfully made one from what they say.

I think people should put back what they can now according to their means.

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Another key word is "air", has this been mentioned before?

So you spend a whole lot of money on a whole lot of juice and what?
You throw it in the fridge and what happens?
The temperature drops, the liquid, the bottle, the cap contract, which Is?
Not good!! Yes?

You've trusted all that good juice to the seal in those 2 cent caps on those 4 cent bottles??
No!!!!
Remember?
Another key word is "air".

I hope I'm not the only one using a vacuum sealer
Has this been mentioned before?
 

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I hopefully have a two year stock of nicotine juice. I store some juice in the fridge and some at room temp. Would store all in the fridge if not for Sun's bad experience.

I am fairly content with 0mg PGA/VG juice which I can DIY to get a slight throat hit and nasal hit.

Suppose I can DIY nicotine juice also if I have to.

I can make DIY pass thrus with my 17 attys which should last more than a decade.

I store 8 batts in the fridge with 40% charge (3.75v) which should last for 2 years.
 

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Stockpiling liquid is a serious business with me.

Premature liquid stockpile spoilage + ban = return to analogs
= risk to life

To mitigate risk:

* Many 60ml Amber glass bottles (not one giant bottle)
* with poly, liquid sealing caps
* Individual Ziplock bags
* In an airtight tupperware box
* In the fridge
* Any handling is done with sterilized hardware
 

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A well thought approach and methods.
What is bought should not be opened till use. Cool, dark and dry.
Dow claims 2 yrs storage at ambient temps. So, you can easily stockpile 2yrs of calculated needs. If kept really cool, I think 4 yrs wouldn't be beyond reason.
If the ban doesnt hit immediately. One can continue to purchase their liquid and rotate it from the oldest stock. I date all my liquid if it isn't dated.

It not like it won't be used at some point. If your usage decreased or decided to quit vaping I'm sure someone would be glad to have it.

Way to many satisfied users for this just go away,

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I hope I still have 2 years of juice.

My half full PG juice stored in ref for 4 months lost power. It is 24mg juice but taste like about 12mg juice. The flavor is all but gone. Maybe oxidation from excessive air cap?

To minimize contamination I now only purchase unflavored juices for storage.

I normally store all liquid in topped off bottles.

Some in the freezer. Some in the fridge. Some at room temp.
 

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The 2 years stated is for the PG only.
It's possible that other ingredients won't store that long.
I am surprized at 4 months in a fridge. I can see some aromatic flavors (fruity) being lost to the large air space, but not the nic.
I read an interesting article about pH and nicotine absorbtion. If to acidic, only the lungs pick it up. At higher pH the mouth and mucous membranes readily grab it too.
pH shift may explain the noticable hit change.

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Thank you guys for the information, and I do have the means to do so. Can I ask, if the ban takes place, and owning or buying ecigs/stuff would be illegal, will ordering from suppliers on line be a thing of the past? Would people still be able to order small packages from other countries? I am seriously shaken up by this news. This is saving my life and my health. I have Crohns disease and have been sick for 2 straight years. I quit smoking analogs and picked up the ecig, and after two months I am in perfect condition. Im working again, I feel better, taste better, breath better and Im happier.

You information is much appreicated, thanks in advance.

MIke: you are not alone. I have lupus and Sjogren's disease in the moderate to severe stages. For the first time yesterday when I went in for my check up, my doctor was amazed because I had no crackles, wheezes, or franks in my lungs. I've been vaping since July 7th, 09 and now I can breath, my smoker's cough is gone, I don't cough up crud, and I would swear it is keeping my flares at a minimum and when I do have a flare, they are not as debilitating as they were before I began vaping.

I don't have the means to stockpile. Right now DH, our 12yo daughter, and I are living on my SSDI while awaiting DH's disability hearing. He can't go back to work so that puts a major crimp in what I can order and what I can't because I have bills and a mortgage not to mention a child to support. I can't stand the thoughts of going back to analog cigarettes. I can't stand the thoughts of all those taxes and feeling so bad but worse, I can't handle the thoughts of going through nicotine withdrawal. At this point in my life, it could very well be the thread that tears my marriage all to hell. We've been there before but somehow managed to come back from the brink but when I am out of cigarettes or don't have my nicotine fix, I am more than a ....., I am the .....'s great-grandmother from whence the term originated if you know what I mean.... Even DH doesn't mind my vaping. He's actually happy about it because I feel better and I am not having as many or as severe flares as I was having before hand. It's much nicer for us. For the first time in years it is like we have a real marriage instead of an argument-fest every day.

I hope ASH and the FDA will just stay out of our business and mind their own. Don't they have some Madcow diseases or something to look into somewhere? Can't they start going after those people putting growth hormones in cows that is transmitted in milk to worry about? --- thankfully we are soy and nut milk drinkers here because I'm lactose intolerant. :) We don't have to worry about the milk and for the most part, my 2 daughter and I are practically vegetarians. We will occasionally have a bit of steak or a small piece of turkey but for the most part, we eat more vegetarian or seafood meals as long as I am sure the seafood is safe from mercury poisoning. We also love sushi although DH and his mother hates it and hates that my girls love it as much as I do. I guess I should say we are primarily vegetarians only we do eat seafood.

I'm sure the FDA and ASH can find something better to do with their time. I know, ASH should go after the FDA for making their products available to children and for advertising and producing their nicotine gum in flavors that children will tend to want. That's enough there to say the FDA is targeting children with products they already agreed were safe....

BTW, I was diagnosed with lupus (SLE) and Sjogren's about 9 years ago but was symptomatic long before then.
 

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Maybe I overreacted, but here is my stockpile which I think should last 5-10 years or much more if I can reduce my nicotine consumption. I sell units and e-fluid (not online), so I can afford this. The PG-based liquid stays in the -40C deep freezer. The VG-based liquid and batteries stay in the regular freezer. The plain VG, PG and atomizers stay at room temp.


All for the 901/4075:
100x atomizer
10x battery (I can make a mod easy)
180 x 30mL 24mg e-fluid mixed flavors PG (I use 2.5-3/month)
1L Marlboro 36mg PG
1L Camel VG
1 gallon PG
1 gallon VG



Total cost $1100 or so. I used to spend $8-10/day ($3000-4000/year) on Camel cigarettes (2 packs/day) so I don't think this is ridiculous. It only costs as much as 3-4 months of Camels.


Where in the world can you find affordable attys? I have a Dura-C from Janty and I just ordered a spare atty at $8 with some e-liquid and I am going broker and broker before my check comes in for September. There's no way I can put that much back.

I do have a bottle of 48mg unflavored e-liquid but I haven't figured out exactly how to mix it. I just knew it was on sale and at the price considering the reputable company that had it on sale, I couldn't pass it up. It's only a 20ml bottle but still, I couldn't pass it up b/c I knew I would find out one way or another how to mix my own e-liquid flavors if I looked online long enough.
 

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I know where you are coming from. I have a limited income also.
I've managed to put back 500ml of 48mg unflavored not counting all my preflavored juice. NHaler has a great price right now.
I have 10 ea of attys for the 501 and 801. 5 batteries for each. A DSE601 and a Mini Pipe with extra batteries and a couple bodies. Nichrome wire and a gal of PG.
Mods are easy to make from your failed parts. Check out the mods thread. So it comes down to nic juice and attys. There are a bunch of us working on rebuilding attys and I just rebuilt my 601 pipe. The auto switch failed and I stripped it down and its now a manual working fine!:) They made it to be disposable if anything failed! Well, $44 bucks for a new body. Not at that price...:p
Many will say I can't do all that stuff. Alot of it is simple and yes you can. I'm sure there will be others around to help with the tough stuff. This forum is a pretty tight and helpful bunch.:thumbs:

To mix your 48mg juice with PG or VG, a 75/25 mix will be 36mg, 50/50 = 24mg, 25/75 = 12mg and 12.5/87.5 = 6mg. Adding flavoring after you mix will dilute(lower) the nic level a little. Flavoring can run from 10-30% so its better to mix it with the PG/VG before adding the nic juice if you want that exact amount of nic.

Get what you can and add a little extra to put back each purchase to increase your stockpile. Hopefully, if a ban hits it won't be immediate (maybe an appeal) and that will allow some extend time to stock.

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Don't make any difference how much you stock up. It is'nt going to last you for thr rest of your lives. The FDA are holding shipments Now. When they have their Official Ban (very soon, the way things are looking) nothing you try and order from overseas is going to get through. Whatever stock is in the US is all you'll have and your suppliers will soon run out.
Best get your local drug dealer on the case now.
All you need then are Atomisers and be prepared to be criminalised. :evil:
 

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Don't make any difference how much you stock up. It is'nt going to last you for thr rest of your lives. The FDA are holding shipments Now. When they have their Official Ban (very soon, the way things are looking) nothing you try and order from overseas is going to get through. Whatever stock is in the US is all you'll have and your suppliers will soon run out.
Best get your local drug dealer on the case now.
All you need then are Atomisers and be prepared to be criminalised. :evil:

Now on the other hand, if I have a friend, let's say in Scotland, and I ask my friend to buy certain items from China and have them sent to him and then I pay him to put the items in another package and send them to me, I might still be able to enjoy my current pass time. I think someone in Scotland, for example, might be able to start a nice little side business this way.:cool:
 

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Now on the other hand, if I have a friend, let's say in Scotland, and I ask my friend to buy certain items from China and have them sent to him and then I pay him to put the items in another package and send them to me, I might still be able to enjoy my current pass time. I think someone in Scotland, for example, might be able to start a nice little side business this way.:cool:


Supply and demand, theres is no way to separate them
 

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Now on the other hand, if I have a friend, let's say in Scotland, and I ask my friend to buy certain items from China and have them sent to him and then I pay him to put the items in another package and send them to me, I might still be able to enjoy my current pass time. I think someone in Scotland, for example, might be able to start a nice little side business this way.:cool:

Hypothetically speaking, yes. :)
 

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Don't make any difference how much you stock up. It is'nt going to last you for thr rest of your lives. The FDA are holding shipments Now. When they have their Official Ban (very soon, the way things are looking) nothing you try and order from overseas is going to get through. Whatever stock is in the US is all you'll have and your suppliers will soon run out.
Best get your local drug dealer on the case now.
All you need then are Atomisers and be prepared to be criminalised. :evil:

Hey...I need a funner hobby if I'm going to jail:)
 

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The 2 years stated is for the PG only.
It's possible that other ingredients won't store that long.
I am surprized at 4 months in a fridge. I can see some aromatic flavors (fruity) being lost to the large air space, but not the nic.
I read an interesting article about pH and nicotine absorbtion. If to acidic, only the lungs pick it up. At higher pH the mouth and mucous membranes readily grab it too.
pH shift may explain the noticable hit change.

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