Do We Need To Stock Up Because Of The Ban?

[poor_red_neck]

So first off....

Hi guys and gals, my name is Jonathan. 23 years old and smoking for about 7 years on and off, 5 years @ a pack a day+. I'm really [was] looking forward to vaping to eliminate my tobacco use but still have the pleasure of getting a nicotine fix (Nicotine gum after great sex just IS NOT the same )

Now I read this thread and I can't help but literally throw my arms up and scream "WTF?"

So pardon me while I stand on my soapbox here for just a second..



Wow

Are you freakin' Kidding me???

I'm SOO glad I bought mine last week... Should be here in a few days.

This is RIDICULOUS!!!

How can the FDA ban something that has NO proof that it is harmful when CIGGS are legal and kill 400K+ a year??

Why doesn't the FDA ban regular tobacco ciggs? OH YEAH THE MONEY!

Geeze. I am seriously almost shaking I'm so ...... off right now.

I've tried patches, gums, cold turkey, to quit smoking and here I thought this was going to be the ONE thing that would actually work, and now these .......s in congress and the FDA want to take it away.


Washington:

FIX THE DAMN COUNTRY BEFORE YOU TAKE EVEN MORE LIBERTIES.
We've got an economy in the toilet, troops active in several different countries and N Korea is a button away from starting all out war and they are wasting their time with this nonsense?

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY????


Sorry guys, I've NEVER had a first post on a forum like this one (and I'm on ALOT of different forums, 84 to be exact).

I don't even have my ecig yet and I think I'm going to buy a large amount of e-juice.

If I may ask, where are you guys getting your news and info about this? I've found some articles from '08 about the FDA finding "antifreeze" in one particular chinese suppliers' juice, at a concentration of less than 1%... other than that not a whole lot just "under investigation" stories.


Again... Why does the FDA have a right to regulate eciggs but not "analogue" ciggs? If the FDA does regulate analogue ciggs... JUST THROW SOME DAMN WARNING STICKERS ON THE ECIGGS AND LET ME VAPE IN PEACE!!!!



Stepping down from my soapbox now

 

[Superstargoddess]

So first off....

Hi guys and gals, my name is Jonathan. 23 years old and smoking for about 7 years on and off, 5 years @ a pack a day+. I'm really [was] looking forward to vaping to eliminate my tobacco use but still have the pleasure of getting a nicotine fix (Nicotine gum after great sex just IS NOT the same )

Now I read this thread and I can't help but literally throw my arms up and scream "WTF?"

So pardon me while I stand on my soapbox here for just a second..



Wow

Are you freakin' Kidding me???

I'm SOO glad I bought mine last week... Should be here in a few days.

This is RIDICULOUS!!!

How can the FDA ban something that has NO proof that it is harmful when CIGGS are legal and kill 400K+ a year??

Why doesn't the FDA ban regular tobacco ciggs? OH YEAH THE MONEY!

Geeze. I am seriously almost shaking I'm so ...... off right now.

I've tried patches, gums, cold turkey, to quit smoking and here I thought this was going to be the ONE thing that would actually work, and now these .......s in congress and the FDA want to take it away.


Washington:

FIX THE DAMN COUNTRY BEFORE YOU TAKE EVEN MORE LIBERTIES.
We've got an economy in the toilet, troops active in several different countries and N Korea is a button away from starting all out war and they are wasting their time with this nonsense?

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY????


Sorry guys, I've NEVER had a first post on a forum like this one (and I'm on ALOT of different forums, 84 to be exact).

I don't even have my ecig yet and I think I'm going to buy a large amount of e-juice.

If I may ask, where are you guys getting your news and info about this? I've found some articles from '08 about the FDA finding "antifreeze" in one particular chinese suppliers' juice, at a concentration of less than 1%... other than that not a whole lot just "under investigation" stories.


Again... Why does the FDA have a right to regulate eciggs but not "analogue" ciggs? If the FDA does regulate analogue ciggs... JUST THROW SOME DAMN WARNING STICKERS ON THE ECIGGS AND LET ME VAPE IN PEACE!!!!



Stepping down from my soapbox now

Welcome to the forum and your first post!

 

[Ehvam]

I think we will positives and negatives from the FDA action, whatever it is.
I seriously dowbt these things will be banned in the way marijuana is, for example. What I think will ultimately follow is this- the Govt will figure out how to make as much off of e-cig users as tobacco users. They will figure out how much to tax e-juice to match the income they would have gotten had the user stayed on tobacco. What we will get in return is some regukation that SUPPOSEDLY will protect us from bad juice, which would be a good idea, but lets be honest, China OWNS the U.S. and we're not going to threaten that trade relationship and trillions in loans even if China puts pure arsenic in the juice.
So in the end vaping will be a little, tiny bit safer, and we will be paying a hell of alot more for juice.

 

[emus]

Other countries banned ecigs and juice.

 

[Vaporer]

emus,

In regard to nicotine adsorption I posted earlier, it comes from the book "A Handbook on Drug and Alcohol Abuse: the biomedical aspects"
By Gail Winger, James H. Woods, Frederick G. Hofmann

With the possibility of a juice ban, I was looking into diff methods of obtaining nicotine for home made nic juice. I also found a reference of the maximun & average nicotine content per strain of tobacco leaf by dry weight. I lost that one.....grrrrr I might have it saved to a file. I tend to save alot of data for possible future use.

It has a lot of interesting reading in just the posted material online. Measuring the pH of the juice, or maybe the vapor, should be a good indication of how the juice will be the most effectivly adsorbed. Some juices seem to give a better kick than others. This may well be why. Pipe smokers don't normally deep inhale as cigarette smokers do.
Vaping, we have the primer puff and the deep inhale. I have a few e pipes and tend to vape them as an analog pipe smoker would. So I was quite interested when I saw the diff in pH that worked more efficiently adsorbing in the mouth and nasal tissue.

Here is the link:
A handbook on drug and alcohol abuse ... - Google Books

Hope you enjoy it,

Vaporer

 

[MHR7331]

If they're planning on banning e-cigs like they've banned marijuana... I wouldn't worry

 

[Robert]

he's right.......accept I've never seen a link to Chineese Skunk.....got a link?........................but someone will sell it- ejuice that is.

 

[kristin]

With the massive amounts of shipments coming from overseas, customs will never be able to check every package - especially if they are no longer labeled as "e-cigs." You'll still be able to order from overseas.

I keep hoping Big T will step in and see e-cigs as a HUGE potential income generator and the future of tobacco. Then they'll join the fight. Seriously, if the FDA wins this one, it could go back after Big T. I'd rather pay sin tax than have to get a prescription - we don't have insurance right now!!

 

[Vaporer]

Kristin,

I agree. A "sin" tax for choice would be better than a script.
The problem with the FDA is the nic levels.
If they follow their track record the level would be to low to help all but the people who most would consider don't smoke.

Then it becomes just another expensive failed FDA approved product we've all come to try and end up not using since it doesn't work long term.

 

[randyc]

With the massive amounts of shipments coming from overseas, customs will never be able to check every package - especially if they are no longer labeled as "e-cigs." You'll still be able to order from overseas.

I keep hoping Big T will step in and see e-cigs as a HUGE potential income generator and the future of tobacco. Then they'll join the fight. Seriously, if the FDA wins this one, it could go back after Big T. I'd rather pay sin tax than have to get a prescription - we don't have insurance right now!!

I received a shipment of e-juice from a Chinese supplier and on the packing slip the pac akage contained "car fragrance" LOL!! That's one way to get it here. And the package took me every bit of 10 minutes to unwrap. I'm sure that this was to deter customs from going into it. I'm not gonna mention a name but I think I'm fairly safe with that supplier in regards to being able to continuosly get my juice. China wants us to be approved by the FDA just as bad as we do.

 

[warbdan]

Umm, can you email me the supplier's name.... just in case warbdan@hotmail.com lol

 

[nickgamble]

hmm, it's like I have to make a lot of stock but I am skeptic about it, because they might just manipulate the news to add hype on the issue. This is just my guess.

 

[NJDrew]

hmm, it's like I have to make a lot of stock but I am skeptic about it, because they might just manipulate the news to add hype on the issue. This is just my guess.

Honestly, does it really matter? If you buy 3 months worth of supplies now or the same amount over time, you are still going to use it. I plan to err on the side of caution and stock up now. I was caught off guard once before and I dont want it to happen again. Back when Obama signed that tax increase on cigarette products (Feb or Mar I think it was), I was making my own analogs and a pound of loose tobacco went from 14.99 to 40.00 approx overnight 8-o. At the time I thought it was all hype and didn't stock up. In this case the stakes are a lot higher, so I will not be so cavalier again.

 

[callousparade]

while i agree that we'll probably always be able to buy our supplies, i've still got enough attys and liquid to last the better part of two years (hoping my math is correct). just don't open all your liquid at once, keep it cold and airtight, or it will lose some of the nicotine.

 

[ramblingrose]

I keep hoping Big T will step in and see e-cigs as a HUGE potential income generator and the future of tobacco. Then they'll join the fight. Seriously, if the FDA wins this one, it could go back after Big T. I'd rather pay sin tax than have to get a prescription - we don't have insurance right now!!

I could be wrong on this one, but I highly doubt you’ll see BT step in for quite a while – for exactly the reason you mention. They know there’s serious money in this. They’ve known it for years and have invested in producing electronic alternatives. Unfortunately for them, they came up with a few tobacco based products that failed marketing trials. If we see BT pushing for approval I believe it will be when (if?) they develop e-cigs more like what we’re now using.

If e-cigs end up FDA approved, I think I’d be surprised if they end up requiring prescriptions, at least after the earliest period they're sold legally. Most nicotine replacement products started as prescription items, and were reclassified as OTC not too long after many insurance companies stopped covering them. Maybe a lot of people were like me, and decided to smoke rather than pay exorbitant prices for an NRT that wasn’t getting us to quit.

I received a shipment of e-juice from a Chinese supplier and on the packing slip the pac akage contained "car fragrance" LOL!! That's one way to get it here. And the package took me every bit of 10 minutes to unwrap. I'm sure that this was to deter customs from going into it. I'm not gonna mention a name but I think I'm fairly safe with that supplier in regards to being able to continuosly get my juice. China wants us to be approved by the FDA just as bad as we do.

People have posted that it’s unwise to include the description used on packages that make it through customs. Randy, I think they’re right. I know plenty of packages will get through anyway, but it’s probably better if we don’t give away the tricks that get us what we need.

 

[MHR7331]

I stocked up, had no hesitation about it. Would've continued spending $150/mo on cigs pre-vaping, so why not?

 

[Devious]

I am stocking up. Liquids have a great shelf life. I don't want to get caught empty handed again. I have to do it slowly though. Can't just tell the bill collectors to piss off. LOL

Reality is for those that lack imagination...

 

[martha1014]

Has anybody wandered why liquid does not have an expiration date located on the bottle? Who says they are only good for 2 years.

 

[Vaporer]

I read all I could abt it.
Here is what I found.
DOW Chemical makes alot of the PG and they state that it has a shelf life of 2 yrs @ ambient temperature.
No one can find or has posted if cooling extends that time frame. DOW didn't answer my email.
As with most things and considering PG is a great antibacterial agent, If kept in the fridge or freezer(dark), I would vape it at up to 4 yrs. Especially if kept in the freezer, it wont go solid at freezer temps.
Just my feelings from what I've read and cooling properties on extending shelf life.
If its factory sealed , leave it till you need it. Store any opened containers with as little air space as possible even if you have to change smaller containers. Then correctly label them.

Each should make their own decision.

 

[DC2]

Has anybody wandered why liquid does not have an expiration date located on the bottle? Who says they are only good for 2 years.

As with most things and considering PG is a great antibacterial agent, If kept in the fridge or freezer(dark), I would vape it at up to 4 yrs. Especially if kept in the freezer, it wont go solid at freezer temps.

A lot of good information in the following thead: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/26959-what-best-way-store-e-liquids.html