When I take the filler ring out and use the middle ring instead, when i push the middle ring down, it pushes juice out of the battery end. I guess I am not doing it right.
E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion
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Heheh. It's not almost impossible to get the juice and water out with the filler ring installed. I just did it, and it was easier to do than write about.
I used a lower voltage because that is all that a lot of people have.
Thanks, I have some VG here and might try that.
I can see why some people would want to leave the filler rings in these... they support the cup inside the tube and help prevent juice from leaking toward the mouthpiece. If you're going to clean and refill these though, I think the middle ring provides enough of a leak barrier and the cup should be fine unless you're rough on it and physically push it to one side or the other. Just my
.Sorry I don't have time to read all the posts about the threading issues so I will just post my review.
I received one xl 510 from emsmom to try and I encountered the threading problem. If she hadn't told me that she tried it on a pv to make sure it worked, I would have given up. After trying it on several pvs/adapters, I finally got it to go on right.
I also found this. They are almost impossible to fill. I could see the holes on the first fill and it filled ok with the filler thingy but it took forever the second time. I couldn't see the holes at all. I finally got it to fill thru one hole but I haven't found the other hole yet. I wish we could pull the inner cap out! Believe me I tried. lol. I have had no leaking thru the mouthpiece so that is a good thing.
It started to get really HOT on the second fill. I burned my lip. That is not a good thing. I have given away all my old 808 cartos that did that and moved to the Turbos. I still have a sore spot on my lip from previous experiences. The old e2s I got didn't do that.
I didn't notice any wicking issues. I am used to taking it easy on these cartos and maybe I have learned how to use them.
All in all . . . . not happy enough to order them.
At least not the xl's. I haven't tried any others but I think the filling thing is too much work no matter what size the carto is.
Don't look at me, lol (half-kidding)
I suggested a 3/64" filler hole a long time ago
Still, I haven't had any problem filling them. The filler holes are not lined up with the coil wick (that's good), so it's easier to find them knowing that, but I really wish that a syringe would not be mentioned or recommended. A bigger filler hole and a 30 or 50 ml Luer-lok 'bottle' could be used instead.
I suggested a 3/64" filler hole a long time ago
Still, I haven't had any problem filling them. The filler holes are not lined up with the coil wick (that's good), so it's easier to find them knowing that, but I really wish that a syringe would not be mentioned or recommended. A bigger filler hole and a 30 or 50 ml Luer-lok 'bottle' could be used instead.
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Yeah but I don't want anyone taking a picture of me over the sink with my head thrown back sucking the water out of my cartos, either.
Besides, what if I swallow by mistake? (yuck!)Using your method I still have to syringe fill. That's one of the things I'm trying to get away from.
If it's not a lot of juice, my guess is you're just pushing out what's in the air tube already. Put the middle ring in slowly, and make sure you blow out any excess juice before you screw it on your battery.
Will try going slower on next refill and see if that helps. I push it down with the end of a pen that compleatly covers the big center hole, was wondering if that was the problem.
>> Ok, well I'm for no more slots, maybe they can just thread the wick through the holes, the holes can be a micron or two larger instead (so to speak).
>>The cartos need to be 1mm wider (this is not so to speak), not much more, and not much less. A good e-cigarette can be 1mm wider, but not much more unless you move to a vgo, which is too wide for me to thing as an e-cigarette, I think of my vgos as e-cigars, so I still want e-cigarettes, and they can be 1mm wider.
>>Another early thought is that the cup may need to be inside a silicone cup holder, with very large openings on the wick ends, and 3/64" holes (or channels), on opposing sides at 90degrees from the wicks. Such a silicone cup holder would cover all the empty space around the cup otherwise, inside the 1mm wider cartomizers. So yes, it would be thick, but not at all where the wicks run.
>>The cartos need to be 1mm wider (this is not so to speak), not much more, and not much less. A good e-cigarette can be 1mm wider, but not much more unless you move to a vgo, which is too wide for me to thing as an e-cigarette, I think of my vgos as e-cigars, so I still want e-cigarettes, and they can be 1mm wider.
>>Another early thought is that the cup may need to be inside a silicone cup holder, with very large openings on the wick ends, and 3/64" holes (or channels), on opposing sides at 90degrees from the wicks. Such a silicone cup holder would cover all the empty space around the cup otherwise, inside the 1mm wider cartomizers. So yes, it would be thick, but not at all where the wicks run.
i think i have an idea that would solve the whole issue like your describing, it would leave room for the wick and cut off juice from rising upwards, its kind of simple but there is no way for me to make it
take the inner clear refill plug, but make it as long as the cup, the airhole on the plug needs to be wider and then cut slits on both sides for the wick and slit area, this will stop juice from flowing upwards towards the cup and cutting off leaking in that area, it needs to be thinner then the one now.
when we remove the inner plug it immediatly tastes better, everyone has expierenced this, so that means the inner plug is the cause, so when i cut a inner plug and made the hole as big as the cup then the taste was perfect just like when using no plug. so perfecting the innerplug seems to be important. this design should also make placing it back on much easier.
take the inner clear refill plug, but make it as long as the cup, the airhole on the plug needs to be wider and then cut slits on both sides for the wick and slit area, this will stop juice from flowing upwards towards the cup and cutting off leaking in that area, it needs to be thinner then the one now.
when we remove the inner plug it immediatly tastes better, everyone has expierenced this, so that means the inner plug is the cause, so when i cut a inner plug and made the hole as big as the cup then the taste was perfect just like when using no plug. so perfecting the innerplug seems to be important. this design should also make placing it back on much easier.
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Right. It needs a silicone cup holder that extends all the way from the bottom of the cup to the top. There would be no way of disturbing or dislocating it. This is the top view of 'most' of it. At the very top, it would look just like the current inner cap. The main center hole should be as wide as the cup, to prevent it from trapping too much moisture there.
The carto also needs to be 1mm wider now, early on. It's better to make the carto this size now, before it's too late. This would also allow the carto to hold over 2ml. Right now I think it's 1.9ml and maybe less if the cup is wrapped completely in its holder.
The carto also needs to be 1mm wider now, early on. It's better to make the carto this size now, before it's too late. This would also allow the carto to hold over 2ml. Right now I think it's 1.9ml and maybe less if the cup is wrapped completely in its holder.
Right. It needs a silicone cup holder that extends all the way from the bottom of the cup to the top. There would be no way of disturbing or dislocating it. This is the top view of 'most' of it. At the very top, it would look just like the current inner cap. The main center hole should be as wide as the cup, to prevent it from trapping too much moisture there.
The carto also needs to be 1mm wider now, early on. It's better to make the carto this size now, before it's too late. This would also allow the carto to hold over 2ml. Right now I think it's 1.9ml and maybe less if the cup is wrapped completely in its holder.
the only problem with that design is there is a chance juice can seep upwards in those indentations even though wick will be in that area, but that might be the perfect ticket and yes it has to exted form the top of the cup to the bottom of it with a hole that is much wider then now. then again those indentaions might help with sunction or someting of that sort not that its a issue now but im just thinking out loud
this design should solve 3 issues in 1.
so this plug plus the sealed cup and stem and the steamed wick should make a winner.
making a wider e2 is so wanted by me so that news would be nice.
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I took the old longer mouth peace to make this demo.
i used a marker to represent a larger hole, and on the slit picture i only could cut up so far because that plug has stuff on the inside so i used the black marker to represent the slits a little higher then what i could cut and this should be silicone and not this white plastic or whatever it is.
i used a marker to represent a larger hole, and on the slit picture i only could cut up so far because that plug has stuff on the inside so i used the black marker to represent the slits a little higher then what i could cut and this should be silicone and not this white plastic or whatever it is.
WOW! 
That was quick! Nice 3d demo, bad!
Right. No. I know you were just thinking out loud, but the top view is not really from the top, it's from a spot just above the wick hole, that's why I drew up the side view, to help see it better.
Exactly. The leading factory needs to start the next generation of electronic cigarettes, and I'm not talking about vgos, those are cigars, not cigarettes. The 1mm wider cartos, however, would fit and work nicely with vgos, all they have to do is make a shorter cone for it. The battery factories would then make the battery casings 1mm wider, but like I said, not more than 1mm, it bothers me when I say I want a slightly wider cigarette and they come up with a real huge Hello, lol. Not that they're bad, it's just that they're the cigars, and I am after e-cigarettes, like I said. Not e-cigars.
That was quick! Nice 3d demo, bad!Right. No. I know you were just thinking out loud, but the top view is not really from the top, it's from a spot just above the wick hole, that's why I drew up the side view, to help see it better.
Exactly. The leading factory needs to start the next generation of electronic cigarettes, and I'm not talking about vgos, those are cigars, not cigarettes. The 1mm wider cartos, however, would fit and work nicely with vgos, all they have to do is make a shorter cone for it. The battery factories would then make the battery casings 1mm wider, but like I said, not more than 1mm, it bothers me when I say I want a slightly wider cigarette and they come up with a real huge Hello, lol. Not that they're bad, it's just that they're the cigars, and I am after e-cigarettes, like I said. Not e-cigars.
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while i agree with you i cant be happy with a small thin ecig until they make them last all day long, now i showed a 900 mah one a while back but im not sure of the build, i should buy it to try it and shut my mouth.
im such a battery ..... ill sacrifice size and hold a 2 liter bottle sized ecig if need be as long as it lasts.lol
i think we are getting off track a little, while a wider e2 is needed i really want them to first solve the issues that need to be ironed out and i sure dont want them to get sidetracked.
they have gone so far with the changes that we need to push for these final annoyances.
seal the stem where the cup sits on the stem airhole, that super important. thats being done for r4.
remove the primer, they are steaming all the wicks to a super clean state so thats done for R4.
and maybe try this plug design vjohn and I have mentioned, it could solve many issues but it could cause another one and that is lower the amount of juice a regular sized e2 can hold since the cup area will now be taken by the new plug, but if it solves the issue then so be it.
I tested many e2's cut in half and guys im not seeing any leaking coming form the bottom of the e2 where the stem meets the base, im seeing leaking occur at the top and it happens when we fill it up to the brim. so thats what needs to be solved.
im such a battery ..... ill sacrifice size and hold a 2 liter bottle sized ecig if need be as long as it lasts.lol
i think we are getting off track a little, while a wider e2 is needed i really want them to first solve the issues that need to be ironed out and i sure dont want them to get sidetracked.
they have gone so far with the changes that we need to push for these final annoyances.
seal the stem where the cup sits on the stem airhole, that super important. thats being done for r4.
remove the primer, they are steaming all the wicks to a super clean state so thats done for R4.
and maybe try this plug design vjohn and I have mentioned, it could solve many issues but it could cause another one and that is lower the amount of juice a regular sized e2 can hold since the cup area will now be taken by the new plug, but if it solves the issue then so be it.
I tested many e2's cut in half and guys im not seeing any leaking coming form the bottom of the e2 where the stem meets the base, im seeing leaking occur at the top and it happens when we fill it up to the brim. so thats what needs to be solved.
The thing is that a 1mm wider carto would still work on coned batteries, they just need a new cone, and they're a dime a dozen.
Actually there are more things,
the e-'cigarettes' would be better too, and even the carto. A cup stabilizer-insulator would be too flimsy, and that's another excellent reason why the carto needs to be 1mm wider (it could even be 1.2mm wider). The problem will be solved much better by adding 0.6mm of the insulating silicone stabilizer. Making the carto just a little wider has way much more importance than might be easily seen at first. We're trying to make a thick silicone cup holder, not a thin one, the coil is too close to the carto shell as it is, and 0.5 or 0.6mm all around of added space would be nice and even hold way over 2ml.
Actually there are more things,
the e-'cigarettes' would be better too, and even the carto. A cup stabilizer-insulator would be too flimsy, and that's another excellent reason why the carto needs to be 1mm wider (it could even be 1.2mm wider). The problem will be solved much better by adding 0.6mm of the insulating silicone stabilizer. Making the carto just a little wider has way much more importance than might be easily seen at first. We're trying to make a thick silicone cup holder, not a thin one, the coil is too close to the carto shell as it is, and 0.5 or 0.6mm all around of added space would be nice and even hold way over 2ml.
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I still get quite a few carto's leaking into the cup for no apparent reason, I'm assuming the liquid is leaking where the Wick enters the Cup. If you look closely, the slits are quite long. Even with the filler cap in place, there is still quite a large gap for liquid to enter.
Rather than have open slits, maybe holes could be used instead. Large enough holes for the wick to perform, but small enough to avoid excessive leaking.
Rather than have open slits, maybe holes could be used instead. Large enough holes for the wick to perform, but small enough to avoid excessive leaking.
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