Ecigs have been banned?

[tA71ana]

For sure, I agree. I'm listing stuff I could live with in the spirit of regulation compromise. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Speaking of Chanel though, those .......s took the original nail polish "Vamp" and renamed it "Rouge Noir" then made it only available in Europe. I feel no pity for them! That felt good



Fair point, but I bet we'd get a work around quick!

I remember Vamp..I didn't realize they did that (bad Chanel! Bad, Bad Chanel!!, lol)

As regards oppressive/nonsensical/misguided company/regulatory agency decisions, my concern is that they may restrict access to such a degree that the Law of Unintended Consequences kicks in with unfortunate results.

 

[Leatherneck]

Speaking of Chanel though, those .......s took the original nail polish "Vamp" and renamed it "Rouge Noir" then made it only available in Europe.

Get a rope!

 

[Leatherneck]

As regards oppressive/nonsensical/misguided company/regulatory agency decisions, my concern is that they may restrict access to such a degree that the Law of Unintended Consequences kicks in with unfortunate results.

Or the Law of Intended Consequences...depending on who is greasing their palms.

 

[Jman8]

Contest after the fact?

After proposal of specific fact is put forth.

 

[DC2]

After proposal of specific fact is put forth.

Do you feel that a large number of passionate comments from concerned citizens has any chance to influence the proposed regulations?

 

[Jman8]

Do you feel that a large number of passionate comments from concerned citizens has any chance to influence the proposed regulations?

Yes.

Though I think that influence could go the other way (as well). As in, 'we' were right, this is an epidemic of nicotine addiction and people need even more control than our proposed legislation was calling for. Back to the drawing boards!

 

[2coils]

We all need to have a vape meet in front of the White House or at the FDA main office. This really is getting to be too much. Im stockpiling as much juice as possible. E-cigs are my only vice. I dont smoke cigs or pot, I dont drink!!! I was going to take my nap but this thread has me all riled up!!

 

[tartanraven]

Yes.

Though I think that influence could go the other way (as well). As in, 'we' were right, this is an epidemic of nicotine addiction and people need even more control than our proposed legislation was calling for. Back to the drawing boards!

I could swear that the data showed a slight decline in cigarette use over the past ten years in the US.

 

[2coils]

Yes.

Though I think that influence could go the other way (as well). As in, 'we' were right, this is an epidemic of nicotine addiction and people need even more control than our proposed legislation was calling for. Back to the drawing boards!

That doesnt make any sense?? Again if the FDA's concerns were ledgit, there would be more of a push with cigaretts.

 

[Hello World]

My concern is that the government goes WAYYY overboard, especially when you don't follow their agenda. I do not believe that to be accidental. To elaborate on your example, they'll start off with just glass. Then it has to be a special type of glass. Then it has to be molded in a certain format. Oh, and it has to have this labelling on it. And it has to have this kind of seal.

And before too long, what started out as a reasonable thing has mushroomed into the realm of stupidity and over-regulation, and we end up suffering for it at the hands of unelected buffoons.

Just the way I store my DIY e-base 100 in the freezer ... Blue Boston cobalt glass bottles with either aluminum or chemical resistant polypropylene caps, pharmaceutical shrink wrap all properly labelled to a T. It's just good sensible practice. Why wait for the Gov't to regulate your safety ... do it yourself.

 

[Leatherneck]

I could swear that the data showed a slight decline in cigarette use over the past ten years in the US.

Which could be misused to suggest "See? What we're doing is working. Now is the time for MORE regulation to keep up the momentum". Mealy-mouthed politicians and bureaucrats can take anything and make it to something else. This is why we can't be passive. This is why we can't be reactive. We need to be vociferous in our disdain for any regulation and hope that holds them back to something we can live with.

 

[Jman8]

That doesnt make any sense?? Again if the FDA's concerns were ledgit, there would be more of a push with cigaretts.

More of a push to regulate smokes?
Or more of a push to ban them?

 

[Leatherneck]

Why wait for the Gov't to regulate your safety ... do it yourself.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree. People can, and should, be responsible for their own safety. The government shouldn't be telling us how to keep ourselves safe. It shouldn't have to.

But then again, there is a staggering lack of personal responsibility going around these days.

 

[tartanraven]

More of a push to regulate smokes?
Or more of a push to ban them?

I still believe that the banning (prohibition) of alcohol in the US showed that outright banning leads to workarounds and in some cases...crime. So trading a simple and harmless vice for crime is creating expense.

 

[2coils]

I could understand back in the fifties, science and medical weren't as advanced as they are now. EVERYONE now knows that combustable tobacco is killing people. Lets concentrate on that. Personally those who have switched to ecigs after 35 years of smoking should be applauded not punished by a bunch of B.S regulation.

 

[2coils]

More of a push to regulate smokes?
Or more of a push to ban them?

A Ban to be specific

 

[Leatherneck]

Personally those who have switched to ecigs after 35 years of smoking should be applauded not punished by a bunch of B.S regulation.

"They" don't get money and influence for applauding people. BT & BP both have a vested interest in keeping people smoking and then needing treatment for COPD, preferably for life, or at least until the health insurance runs out.

 

[zaini79]

E-Cig already BANNED in Malaysia .. hermmmm

 

[tartanraven]

"They" don't get money and influence for applauding people. BT & BP both have a vested interest in keeping people smoking and then needing treatment for COPD, preferably for life, or at least until the health insurance runs out.

Keeping the populace sick, poor, subject to an imposed culture, educated by influence, needy..........hmm. what does THAT sound like?

 

[2coils]

I am not even suggesting a ban on cigs. I am suggesting that the FDA is barking up the wrong tree. If they are their to protect us from these unhealthy ingredients, they have about 4000 reasons to leave us vapers alone