FDA issues notice of intent to propose "deeming" regulation by April of 2013 for e-cigarettes and other tobacco products

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Nobody can agree on anything, thus nothing gets done...My God I love my country, even with all its faults but to be honest I think with our deficit cliff, and everyhting else that is taking a nose dive, its time for a major house cleaning...of 1776 kind.
Thomas Jefferson said that a revolution is needed every generation.
So if you believe that, we are LONG overdue.
 

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Thomas Jefferson said that a revolution is needed every generation.
So if you believe that, we are LONG overdue.
Our founding fathers felt the 2nd Amendment was very important
and the reasons had nothing to do with hunting. Those thinking
it does ... You've been listening to politicians... Do the research.
 

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Money is the current wrapping around the core, but greed is the actual core.
Since I'm in a philosophical mood, I'll expand on this a bit...
Sorry, but I minored in philosophy, so you'll have to excuse me...

When does greed become greed?

A valid and important goal in life is to make sure I have secured a future for myself.
And a valid and important next goal in life is to make sure I have secured a future for my family.

Is it greedy to be going from step one to step two?

And once my family has a secure future, it would be nice to eat whatever I feel like eating.
And it would be nice to have a swimming pool, and a fancy car, and a helicopter.

Where is the line between proper planning, preparation, and securing our future versus simple greed?
And when, really, do you feel that you have secured that future?

Damn, I hate philosophy.
:)

I try to simplify my life as much as possible...
To the point of trying to decide whether my Padres Chuck or my Chargers Chuck is what I'll vape with today.

Unfortunately, vaping has made me think more than I really want to.
 
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I was watching a show last night where a woman being interviewed stated that the rich should be taxed higher because they don't "need" that much money. I often wonder what people like that think is a reasonable amount for people to make? If that woman makes $80,000 a year for her family of 4, how would she feel if someone who subsists on only $40,000 for a family of 4 (and plenty do) said she doesn't "need" that much money?

I once saw a calculation that if we took all of the money supply in the US (including savings and investments) and distributed it equally to every citizen over the age of 19, that would mean about $37,000 per person. Is that what is "fair?" No one allowed to have any more money than anyone else?
 

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I once saw a calculation that if we took all of the money supply in the US (including savings and investments) and distributed it equally to every citizen over the age of 19, that would mean about $37,000 per person. Is that what is "fair?" No one allowed to have any more money than anyone else?
Two thumbs up for Communism!!

Oh wait, the Communist leaders are rolling in the dough?
The Politburo members have no wants or needs?

Yes folks, power leads to money, and those that have the ability to accumulate money like to do so.
And that has been true since the caveman times, when mastodon meat was probably the means to power and riches.
 

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I was watching a show last night where a woman being interviewed stated that the rich should be taxed higher because they don't "need" that much money. I often wonder what people like that think is a reasonable amount for people to make? If that woman makes $80,000 a year for her family of 4, how would she feel if someone who subsists on only $40,000 for a family of 4 (and plenty do) said she doesn't "need" that much money?

I once saw a calculation that if we took all of the money supply in the US (including savings and investments) and distributed it equally to every citizen over the age of 19, that would mean about $37,000 per person. Is that what is "fair?" No one allowed to have any more money than anyone else?
Sooner or later America will wake-up.
Probably the day after the dollar crashes.
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I think Vocalek summed part of my views quit well below…




Aside from the Potential Hazard of accidental poisoning by calling e-Liquids “Juice”, it doesn’t seem to convey the concept to people Exactly what an e-Liquid / e-Cigarette is to me.

And that is a Harm Reduction Device that has given me the ability to Stop Smoking and Improve my Overall Health.

BTW – I have No Problem using the term “e-Cigarette”.

Thanks for the reply Zoid!

Just out of curiosity (again), are you also talking about children when you say "accidental poisoning"? What type of container do you keep your liquid in? I'm assuming you are, because I find it hard to believe that an adult would see someone refer to their liquid as juice and then pick it up and drink it. Of course, I keep all of mine in their original 6-30ml bottles and I don't keep them in my refrigerator or pantry. So they don't look like normal drink items or are near any other consumables. But as I said, I'm never around children, so I'm covered if that is the issue.
 

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I was watching a show last night where a woman being interviewed stated that the rich should be taxed higher because they don't "need" that much money. I often wonder what people like that think is a reasonable amount for people to make? If that woman makes $80,000 a year for her family of 4, how would she feel if someone who subsists on only $40,000 for a family of 4 (and plenty do) said she doesn't "need" that much money?

I once saw a calculation that if we took all of the money supply in the US (including savings and investments) and distributed it equally to every citizen over the age of 19, that would mean about $37,000 per person. Is that what is "fair?" No one allowed to have any more money than anyone else?

Kristin:
How much money does one family "need"...6 figures ? 7 ?

How much does one deserve? How many tax breaks and loopholes do you think the filthy rich have?
 

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Kristin:
How much money does one family "need"...6 figures ? 7 ?

How much does one deserve? How many tax breaks and loopholes do you think the filthy rich have?
Filthy rich got all the breaks, Filthy rich own the politians, filthy rich create a wedge between poor and middle class. Yup filthy rich own FDA (directly or indirectly).
 
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Since 1935 the Congress of the United States has delegated vast legislative, executive,
and judicial powers to the Federal Agencies (including the FDA).

The Founding Fathers predicted that if ever those constitutional powers were vested
in single hands that would be the death of liberty and the birth of tyranny.

Our founding fathers would roll over in their graves !!
See my signature.
 

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Kristin:
How much money does one family "need"...6 figures ? 7 ?

How much does one deserve? How many tax breaks and loopholes do you think the filthy rich have?

Actually the top 10% pay 71% of the taxes, where as the bottom 47% pay NONE. Isn't it the American dream to strive to be rich and make more? Remember as was said by one of our fore fathers. You can not raise up the poor by bringing down the rich. <---paraphrased.
 

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Actually the top 10% pay 71% of the taxes, where as the bottom 47% pay NONE. Isn't it the American dream to strive to be rich and make more? Remember as was said by one of our fore fathers. You can not raise up the poor by bringing down the rich. <---paraphrased.
True ...
However, its human nature to look for a scapegoat
during difficult times.

"Stick it to the Rich"
was a popular campaign slogan to avoid admitting some day ....
Everyone is going to have to take a big bite !!

All politicians know if they tell the truth and make the tough decisions ...
They probably will Not not be re-elected.
 

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Actually the top 10% pay 71% of the taxes, where as the bottom 47% pay NONE. Isn't it the American dream to strive to be rich and make more? Remember as was said by one of our fore fathers. You can not raise up the poor by bringing down the rich. <---paraphrased.

You'd think if one really truly despised paying taxes, they'd want to become one of these 'elite' 47%. And would do everything possible to not be one of those gullible 10%.

Instead, I'm guessing a poll for all persons would say that close to 100% would prefer to be in the top 10% paying taxes and would greatly dislike being in the class that pays 0 taxes. I wonder why that is?
 

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Actually the top 10% pay 71% of the taxes, where as the bottom 47% pay NONE. Isn't it the American dream to strive to be rich and make more? Remember as was said by one of our fore fathers. You can not raise up the poor by bringing down the rich. <---paraphrased.

That's fine and all, but from where I sit, it seems our illustrious 10% are running this country right into the ground, and have been for way too long.

Let's take a moment and see how this country would be run if the bottom feeders were in charge of this nation. Things like "living within your means" , "Saving for your future", would have real world results don't ya think? 75% of our Congress Men and Women probably know how to manipulate the books far better than any Enron executive could imagine.
 

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That's fine and all, but from where I sit, it seems our illustrious 10% are running this country right into the ground, and have been for way too long.

Let's take a moment and see how this country would be run if the bottom feeders were in charge of this nation. Things like "living within your means" , "Saving for your future", would have real world results don't ya think? 75% of our Congress Men and Women probably know how to manipulate the books far better than any Enron executive could imagine.
Totally agree with you.
"47% pay NONE" doesn't mean they are "the free loader" Some are disabled service men and women, senior citizen (paid into system) and the rest just don't earn enough money to pay taxes. So called " the free loader " are about 2 percent.
 

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If the working lower and middle class had the skills to make and save money then they would. People bashing the rich as greedy or life as unfair would switch places and have that wealth, power and privilege for themselves in a heartbeat. Any who deny it are liars. Bashing those who have earned a better lifestyle as greedy and to say the wealth should be spread is just another form of greed.

My husband sees it all of the time at work. He is a welder and works for a family- owned company that is non-union but pays the best wages, offers really good and cheaper (for employees) health benefits and flexible work schedules. Still, his coworkers (many my husband describes as lazy and/or produce poor quality work) complain that its not enough. This is a company that didn't lay off a single employee during rough times of the recession. They found their employees work to do even if it was sweeping floors. People like those co-workers are still offended that the owners and managers who got them through still make "too much" and its "not fair" and say those "rich owners" need to pay their "fair share" in taxes. Some have been talking about pulling in the union so they can squeeze even more out of the owners. It's people like that who I consider greedy "bottom feeders."

On that note, we should probably change the subject or this thread will end up getting moved to the debate forums, lol! ;)
 
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