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FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies
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I suspect most of us have noticed the heat from ANTZ and US govt being turned up recently, prior to an FDA announcement. I think we all need to get very visual, very vocal, very quick.
Now don't take this wrong, and I'm not flaming CASAA by any means, but has anyone who has been part of "hot topic" advocasy groups (ie. 2nd amendment, abortion, political parties, etc.) noticed that other groups appear to make better use of public opinion and lobbying tools than we Vapers?
Does anyone know of the best web "rallying spot" for activist vaping efforts? Not activist as in off the charts crazy, but just well organized to cover PR and lobbying efforts?
Now don't take this wrong, and I'm not flaming CASAA by any means, but has anyone who has been part of "hot topic" advocasy groups (ie. 2nd amendment, abortion, political parties, etc.) noticed that other groups appear to make better use of public opinion and lobbying tools than we Vapers?
Does anyone know of the best web "rallying spot" for activist vaping efforts? Not activist as in off the charts crazy, but just well organized to cover PR and lobbying efforts?
skinny is right about the country being in the dumpster. But don't worry because the government will save us from ourselves. LOL
Write you congressman or woman & let them know how you think as they are Politicians & votes re the only thing they care about.
Later,
louis
Write you congressman or woman & let them know how you think as they are Politicians & votes re the only thing they care about.
Later,
louis
Did anyone read the Forbes opinion piece on the AGs' letter? Holy End Run! Attorneys General Urge Action As E-Cigarettes Gain Market Share - Forbes
Briefly, given most states' fiscal dependence on the Master Settlement income, and the fact that e-cigs are not covered (yet), the author concludes that this is the primary motivator behind the letter.
I don't know how much credence to give this, but it is true that states will almost certainly have already seen a reduction in MS money as a result of declining cigarette sales.
Briefly, given most states' fiscal dependence on the Master Settlement income, and the fact that e-cigs are not covered (yet), the author concludes that this is the primary motivator behind the letter.
I don't know how much credence to give this, but it is true that states will almost certainly have already seen a reduction in MS money as a result of declining cigarette sales.
I'm surprised that state governments haven't imposed their tobacco sin taxes on e-cigs yet. Maybe it's because they don't know what to tax, the e-juice, the pre-filled carts, the batteries, or all of them. It's easier for them to demonize e-cigs, get them banned or so severely restricted that they become difficult to obtain and to use and hope that we all go back to smoking.
"Think of the children" is a pathetic excuse to demonize a relatively harmless product and they know it.
"Think of the children" is a pathetic excuse to demonize a relatively harmless product and they know it.
Stats don't lie and liars figure.
If stats conclusively show a sharp increase during the awakening period of e-cigs/vaping and a sharp decrease (in millions) of cancer sticks, then the Government has a moral obligation to preserve what is right.
Just watch if they go too far in regulation or worse...
It will just show their true colors that the well-being of it's populace is , in fact, not the TOP priority.
If stats conclusively show a sharp increase during the awakening period of e-cigs/vaping and a sharp decrease (in millions) of cancer sticks, then the Government has a moral obligation to preserve what is right.
Just watch if they go too far in regulation or worse...
It will just show their true colors that the well-being of it's populace is , in fact, not the TOP priority.
And, I for one will make darn sure it gets known thoughout the internet!
I am trying to figure out why Attorney's General would involve themselves in this matter.
And I am coming up with quite a few potential reasons.
--Justification to impose sin taxes
--Justification to require age-verification systems
--Justification to eliminate advertising
--Justification to eliminate flavors
The Attorney General's office in California has already taken the lead in pursuing many of the above actions...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...office-going-after-e-cigarette-companies.html
I think it all boils down to big lobbyist, and what is in the best interest of "big government", the only time any subject takes precedence is when it is profitable for big brother. Or there is some hidden agenda to make someone lots of money. But that's just my opinion. If big tobacco was the fore runner in e-cigs then the subject of regulation wouldn't even be on the table, they grease to many wheels and fill too many pockets, hence cigarettes not being banned even though they are proven to be bad for you. Call me a conspirator, but that's just the way I see it.
"It will just show their true colors that the well-being of it's populace is , in fact, not the TOP priority."
Please read this and understand that these are documented facts:The end justifies the means
Please read this and understand that these are documented facts:The end justifies the means
Wow. and <sigh>.
I've lived here in the D.C. suburbs of Maryland for 62 years. I'm sure a lot of people will poo-poo this info, but for me I've known about pieces of this that are in fact proven enough for me, and some have even been acknowledged to the general public. I know people from Leesburg, the Monocacy River Valley, and in the area of Fts. Meade and Detrick.
This though, is the first time I've seen it laid out chronologically. And I believe ALL of it without doubt. After the current sunlight on the NSA (which btw IS NOT something new or more widespread.. just technologically better), I don't see how anyone can rule out government subtrifuge any longer.
For (sadly, only) about 10 years now when I wave a flag and get emotional it's entirely for We The People, and NOT them the government.
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Be careful where you wave the flag ...
Mommie Government has laws about that.
Those who don't like what the government has and will do ...
Write letters to your Congress people ...
Won't do any good ... but it'll make ya feel better.
Mommie Government has laws about that.
Those who don't like what the government has and will do ...
Write letters to your Congress people ...
Won't do any good ... but it'll make ya feel better.
I got a chuckle out of that myself. I bet if we tracked that one down it would have something to do with the Ag dept farms over here in Beltsville, MD. Close counts.
Is this what we might see coming from the FDA ????
Just got information on Company Medical elections coming in October and some of the New Surcharges they are going to start hitting up employees with. This one is what is defined for "Tobacco Use" which has a weekly surchange:
Tobacco product includes, but is not limited to: tobacco, tobacco-like, and nicotine products, such as cigarettes, cigars, pipes, electronic cigarettes, hookah pipes, snuff, and chewing tobacco. Exceptions to this definition include approved smoking-cessation products, such as patches, gum, and perscriptions for smoking-cessation products perscribed.
So has the FDA already deceided that e-cigaettes are going to be defined as a Tobacco product and Also tax as such ?
I hate to see what's next........
Just got information on Company Medical elections coming in October and some of the New Surcharges they are going to start hitting up employees with. This one is what is defined for "Tobacco Use" which has a weekly surchange:
Tobacco product includes, but is not limited to: tobacco, tobacco-like, and nicotine products, such as cigarettes, cigars, pipes, electronic cigarettes, hookah pipes, snuff, and chewing tobacco. Exceptions to this definition include approved smoking-cessation products, such as patches, gum, and perscriptions for smoking-cessation products perscribed.
So has the FDA already deceided that e-cigaettes are going to be defined as a Tobacco product and Also tax as such ?
I hate to see what's next........
Of course, 
Big Pharma can make any Government shake in it's boots! That's a lot of money power.. SICK ISN'T IT!
Big Pharma can make any Government shake in it's boots! That's a lot of money power.. SICK ISN'T IT!
Health Care Reform AKA O....care
Blame the health care bill for these surcharges because they are allowed to do so under the bill.
My cousin is an insurance agent and he told me that because the normal test is for nicotine or nicotine byproducts all but 1 insurance company he was aware of considers you a smoker if you test positive.
There is a better test which tests the CO exhaled in your breath but it is not used normally.
Also related to the health care bill is the many companies that are reducing the workforce to part time so they don't have to provide insurance to them.
Yeah I know they aren't supposed to but my son and his co-workers have been told that is what will happen Nov 1. Coincidence?
Being a single father he is going to have to find another job unless our congressman can do something about it.
Sorry, rant over with.
me too... this is very interesting and how could anyone not decuce the same..
from a post on We Are Casaa fb. ......
I would like to believe this it's so easy to think every freedom our country says we have, is eroding quickly. Still it's a wait a see.
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