FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[TrueNews]

Not good news! We do need to Federate and we do need to be a voice that can't be ignored! The addiction to nicotine is the most mis-understood of all addictions and the FDA approved treatments so ineffective. Only a QUIT OR DIE message for the past 50 years, the profiteering from smoking related diseases is more significant than ever in dollars and cents, as the biggest over the age of 50 population ever to grace the planet at the same time ages. Profits soar in healthcare and in smoking related healthcare, especially. It is the only addiction where it's victims or addicts are treated more inhumanely than any other of addicted groups, such as alcoholics/drug addicts, food addicts. We all know this... so a commonality needs to be acceptable to everyone and anyone that feels nicotine is and should be a legal substance used for pleasure, health benefits or for any reason acceptable as long as it is respectful and un-harmful.

For every problem there is a solution , and I like our solution to 'Quit or Die'

 

[TrueNews]

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Thanks DC2

 

[mewlew]

Shouldn't this just be comparative - like 'we acknowledge we don't like whats in e cigs, but we also note that given the choice we'd rather have people with ecigs than analogs?'
sigh

 

[marlou]

Shouldn't this just be comparative - like 'we acknowledge we don't like whats in e cigs, but we also note that given the choice we'd rather have people with ecigs than analogs?'
sigh

Bear in mind we're dealing with the government here.

What you said is common sense..... and therein lies the rub.

 

[norie09]

You quit smoking tobacco and now the state and governnent are losing money because they heavely tax cigarettes. Now all the vapor community's that chose a safer way to smoke without giving us cancer and kill us. There mad and they want to change the laws on vaping because they want to make money! The only concern that I have is all e-juice vendors should have there liquid tested before sale so we know its safe to vape. If you guys need me to support the vaping community just hit me up and im there 100%

 

[DC2]

You quit smoking tobacco and now the state and governnent are losing money because they heavely tax cigarettes. Now all the vapor community's that chose a safer way to smoke without giving us cancer and kill us. There mad and they want to change the laws on vaping because they want to make money! The only concern that I have is all e-juice vendors should have there liquid tested before sale so we know its safe to vape. If you guys need me to support the vaping community just hit me up and im there 100%

The first step in supporting the vaping community is to join CASAA...
Become a CASAA Member

After that, there are MANY ways you can support the vaping community.
And CASAA will be happy to help you find ways that you can help.

 

[feolip]

I plan on doing what ever I can! This is BS! I've used patches, gum and other "quit smoking" options to no avail. But what crap! finally somthing that really works and the Goverment wants to take it away..

 

[baldgroove]

The Food and Drug Administration has released its annual Regulatory Agenda, which states that the agency intends to issue a proposed rule to regulate other tobacco products under the terms of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

Currently, the FDA regulates cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco and smokeless tobacco products. The other tobacco products that the FDA intends to regulate and the extent of the proposed regulations will not be known until the proposed rule is made public.

The Regulatory Agenda states that the FDA should issue a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) no later than April of 2013. Upon the issuance of the rulemaking proposal, the public will have a period of time to comment on the proposed regulations. A copy of the Regulatory Agenda announcement accompanies this issue of Tobacco E-News.

http://www.cspnet.com/sites/default/files/2013 FDA Unified Regulatory Agenda.pdf

 

[sonicdsl]

The Food and Drug Administration has released its annual Regulatory Agenda, which states that the agency intends to issue a proposed rule to regulate other tobacco products under the terms of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

Currently, the FDA regulates cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco and smokeless tobacco products. The other tobacco products that the FDA intends to regulate and the extent of the proposed regulations will not be known until the proposed rule is made public.

The Regulatory Agenda states that the FDA should issue a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) no later than April of 2013. Upon the issuance of the rulemaking proposal, the public will have a period of time to comment on the proposed regulations. A copy of the Regulatory Agenda announcement accompanies this issue of Tobacco E-News.

http://www.cspnet.com/sites/default/files/2013 FDA Unified Regulatory Agenda.pdf

Thanks for sharing Linc!

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[vengence]

bump..........

 

[daftlush]

We need a good lobby

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[DC2]

We need a good lobby

Which translates to: We need a lot of money.
Which translates to: Ummmmm...

I got nothing.


EDIT: Unless you want to count Big Tobacco and their entry into the market
EDIT: Although I'm sure they will have their own agendas which may not match entirely with ours

 

[NoMoreMarbs]

So is it me or do you all think they may decide to just go ahead and tax the heck out of all of our products ? The fact that RJ Reynolds bought BLU leads me to believe that a high tax may be around the corner for our stuff.

 

[kwalka]

So is it me or do you all think they may decide to just go ahead and tax the heck out of all of our products ? The fact that RJ Reynolds bought BLU leads me to believe that a high tax may be around the corner for our stuff.

High tax for everything except 510 batts and prefilled cartos. IMHO

 

[Insignificance]

We need a good lobby

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The unfortunate part of all of this is that over the past years smokers have become the equivalent of lepers in society so there isn't going to be a groundswell of vocal opposition against the impending regulations.....that is, you won't see people taking to the streets.

In the end the FDA will implement whatever they come up with and the battles against this or that will take place in the courts the way that the FDA's plan to make cigarette manufacturers post graphic photos on each pack of cigs went down in flames (no pun intended).

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

Which translates to: We need a lot of money.
Which translates to: Ummmmm...

I got nothing.


EDIT: Unless you want to count Big Tobacco and their entry into the market
EDIT: Although I'm sure they will have their own agendas which may not match entirely with ours

We know that BT doctors cigarettes to make the nicotine more addictive. In a perfect world for BT they would be the only legitimate supplier of juices or pre-filled cartos and could add whatever they wanted to the juice to make it more addictive than it is now.

Since they are allowed to get away with it now, why would we think that they won't be allowed to in the future.

 

[Vocalek]

We know that BT doctors cigarettes to make the nicotine more addictive. In a perfect world for BT they would be the only legitimate supplier of juices or pre-filled cartos and could add whatever they wanted to the juice to make it more addictive than it is now.

Since they are allowed to get away with it now, why would we think that they won't be allowed to in the future.

Easy question. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act ("Tobacco Act") was passed in 2009. This gave the FDA broad powers to regulate tobacco cigarettes, roll your own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco. The FDA has the power to lower nicotine levels (there is a discussion thread going on now about the wisdom of this) to "make them less addictive." The FDA also is demanding a complete list of ingredients from tobacco companies and will, of course, be regulating any additives as well.

So that's a good reason to not jump to the conclusion that the "evil" tobacco companies will add bad stuff to your juice, should they become the sole provider of the nicotine.

But an additional reason is that pharmaceutical grade nicotine comes from tobacco purchased directly from the grower. The cigarette manufacturers don't get a chance to stick bad stuff in there. The largest customer base for pharmaceutical grade nicotine are the manufacturers of smoking-cessation products, so they naturally would not be adding chemicals to make the nicotine more addictive.

Capisci?

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

Easy question. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act ("Tobacco Act") was passed in 2009. This gave the FDA broad powers to regulate tobacco cigarettes, roll your own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco. The FDA has the power to lower nicotine levels (there is a discussion thread going on now about the wisdom of this) to "make them less addictive." The FDA also is demanding a complete list of ingredients from tobacco companies and will, of course, be regulating any additives as well.

So that's a good reason to not jump to the conclusion that the "evil" tobacco companies will add bad stuff to your juice, should they become the sole provider of the nicotine.

But an additional reason is that pharmaceutical grade nicotine comes from tobacco purchased directly from the grower. The cigarette manufacturers don't get a chance to stick bad stuff in there. The largest customer base for pharmaceutical grade nicotine are the manufacturers of smoking-cessation products, so they naturally would not be adding chemicals to make the nicotine more addictive.

Capisci?

Thank You!
Yes, I was jumping to conclusions because I really don't know what safeguards are currently in place.
A little Enlightenment goes a long way!!
I appreciate it.

 

[Insignificance]

High tax for everything except 510 batts and prefilled cartos. IMHO

Components like battteries and atomizers and such will probably be excluded, but I would figure that prefilled carts would be included. As the number of regular cigarette smokers goes down they will need a new revenue source for S-CHIP and other Federal programs that are subsidized by taxes on tobacco products.......they will drop the hammer on anything that contains nicotine. And that's just the feds....wait until the cash-strapped states get into the act. Sadly what has been a cost-effective alternative to regular smokes could become as expensive, if not more expensive.

 

[DC2]

Components like battteries and atomizers and such will probably be excluded, but I would figure that prefilled carts would be included. As the number of regular cigarette smokers goes down they will need a new revenue source for S-CHIP and other Federal programs that are subsidized by taxes on tobacco products.......they will drop the hammer on anything that contains nicotine. And that's just the feds....wait until the cash-strapped states get into the act. Sadly what has been a cost-effective alternative to regular smokes could become as expensive, if not more expensive.

If they want to make up for lost taxes, there is NO justification for going after electronic cigarettes.
There IS justification for going after high calorie foods, fast foods, and any other unhealthly thing they want to make money from.

The level of taxation on different tobacco products was intended to reflect the level of potential damage that product may do.
And for the most part they have adhered to that approach, and that is generally how tobacco products are currently being taxed today.

To transfer high tax rates from smoking to electronic cigarettes is unjustified, and we should not be prepared to accept it without a fight.