I was really surprised when gas stations and corner stores here in my province started putting advertising everywhere on their property for cigalikes, yet tobacco advertising is banned. It's poking the sleeping bear, soon it will not be allowed and that's fine with me. None of my local vape shops have brand advertising on the windows, etc. You can't even see inside of a vape shop here. It's the stupidity of advertising at the above mentioned gas stations and stores that will bring unwanted attention to our industry.
FDA Plans Severe Restrictions on E-Cigs
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At this stage do they actually need approval from the Senate or Congress? Doesn't the current authorization give them the power to regulate as they see fit?
Congress could choose to initiate new legislation that superseded the current language, but I don't see much interest on the part of the politicians. Congressman Hunter is our friend, he was reelected but he is due in Federal Court next month on corruption charges. There were a few others but everyone's attention is going to be laser focused on 2020 for the next 2 years. The important question is, how can taking action to protect vaping help me hang on to my cushy job and make more money.
That would depend on the Lawsuit. If it was brought that is. And by Who brought it.
BT may choose to Not Challenge the FDA's actions. Because they feel it puts them in a More Strategic place in this portion of the e-Cigarette market.
I'd be surprised to see a lawsuit from BT. Altria is voluntarily pulling their flavored products from the market. If anything, I'd think a lawsuit could come from a retail organization like the National Association of Convenience Stores.
Looks like Juul is going to stop selling most of its flavors in C-Stores and Gas Stations voluntarily, much like Altria's MarkTen.
Juul to Stop Sales of Most Flavored E-Cigarettes in Retail Stores
Juul to Stop Sales of Most Flavored E-Cigarettes in Retail Stores
My computer won't let me shop at Juul's website. I get a message that I can shop locally with a store finder button. Wonder if that will change now. Of course it could be because my computer is old (Windows XP). My Iphone will let me shop their site though, but I prefer to online shop on my desk top computer. Not that I really want a Juul, but their site won't currently let me shop there. How many of their current retail customers will have difficulties shopping online?
I kind of thought so, too.
I wish there was some place people could look to see at a glance where their politicians stand on various issues - including vaping, of course. Especially for someone with disabling cognitive and memory issues, it's too hard to keep track of this stuff otherwise - unless I would become laser-focused.. And I kind of want to do other things... Than just that.
I had hope when I first heard that CASAA had a list of representatives. But it turned out that all they had was a list of current representatives - not even with notes on their stance for vaping.
Being in Wisconsin, all I know was that at one time Ron Johnson sent a couple letters to the FDA - but I don't even know what is/was happening as a result of it. And even though I'm left-wing, I still did vote for him strictly because of that.
From an article I read this morning.
"E-cigarettes have created a paradox for the FDA and the companies that make them: They need to be attractive enough to lure traditional smokers to switch, but not so enticing that they create an entirely new class of nicotine users."
Definitely a head scratcher. They need us to be happy, but not too happy. Maybe they need to work on beer next. Make it taste OK but not so good that it makes us want to try whiskey.
And some analysis of the financial implications.
Shares of Altria Group Inc., which has its own e-cigarette brands and makes Marlboro cigarettes, fell less than 1 percent at 1:07 p.m. in New York. British American Tobacco Plc fell less than 1 percent in London. Imperial Brands Plc gained 2.1 percent.
“Any action that slows down the growth trajectory of Juul will be a positive for tobacco sentiment,” Jefferies International Ltd. analyst Owen Bennett wrote in a note.
You don't say?
"E-cigarettes have created a paradox for the FDA and the companies that make them: They need to be attractive enough to lure traditional smokers to switch, but not so enticing that they create an entirely new class of nicotine users."
Definitely a head scratcher. They need us to be happy, but not too happy. Maybe they need to work on beer next. Make it taste OK but not so good that it makes us want to try whiskey.
And some analysis of the financial implications.
Shares of Altria Group Inc., which has its own e-cigarette brands and makes Marlboro cigarettes, fell less than 1 percent at 1:07 p.m. in New York. British American Tobacco Plc fell less than 1 percent in London. Imperial Brands Plc gained 2.1 percent.
“Any action that slows down the growth trajectory of Juul will be a positive for tobacco sentiment,” Jefferies International Ltd. analyst Owen Bennett wrote in a note.
You don't say?
I swear to God, Gottleib and BT and whomever else need to be sat in a room and made to watch this commercial OVER AND OVER
and boy was it hard to FIND and won't let me link the URL. It is not to be found on the TRUTH website, go there and they're ALL talking about the JUUL dangers.
Bunch of hypocrites I HATE THE MEDIA I SO DO.
Truth TV Commercial, 'Finishers'
Anna
and boy was it hard to FIND and won't let me link the URL. It is not to be found on the TRUTH website, go there and they're ALL talking about the JUUL dangers.
Bunch of hypocrites I HATE THE MEDIA I SO DO.
Truth TV Commercial, 'Finishers'
Anna
They’re not the media they’re just advertisers. Advertisers lie. It used to be illegal for them to lie outright but it got changed during the last bush administration
Yes, they are advertisers, but my point is they are FUNDED almost entirely by big tobacco.
And yes, ALL anti-smoking commercials lie they're either jazzy and exciting (makes you want to smoke) or like, people talking through an artificial voice box (also makes ME want to smoke-- anxiety!)
But my point is, TRUTH put out that add, it was actually coming TRUE and now they are ALL ABOUT THE EVIL JUUL, not "we can end tobacco use in our generation."
Their dire prediction was ACTUALLY coming to pass, and I love that not ONLY does that ad EXIST, they have made it extraordinarily hard to FIND.
The hypocrisy was my whole POINT. That is what I hate, not the commercial itself (although it does make me want to smoke) BUT how deeply, deeply it is currently buried, and what is being "advertised" now.
Anna
And yes, ALL anti-smoking commercials lie they're either jazzy and exciting (makes you want to smoke) or like, people talking through an artificial voice box (also makes ME want to smoke-- anxiety!)
But my point is, TRUTH put out that add, it was actually coming TRUE and now they are ALL ABOUT THE EVIL JUUL, not "we can end tobacco use in our generation."
Their dire prediction was ACTUALLY coming to pass, and I love that not ONLY does that ad EXIST, they have made it extraordinarily hard to FIND.
The hypocrisy was my whole POINT. That is what I hate, not the commercial itself (although it does make me want to smoke) BUT how deeply, deeply it is currently buried, and what is being "advertised" now.
Anna
Or on a bit more equal footing that seems to also go unattacked by the FDA for some reason... Coffee brands need to be attractive enough to lure traditional espresso drinkers to switch, but not so enticing that they create an entire new class of caffeine users.
The FDA makes me think me is takin' dem crazy pills. OH, but wait.. The pills are for the kids! Silly me.
I am sorry, I am not talking about the news. I am talking about "media" in a more general sense, like art, films, advertising.
I think the current media are funded almost entirely by politicans, but that is a totally separate subject.
Media: objects of art or cultural agents of change that are disseminated through our culture. I probably should have put "that" media instead of "the" media.
Anna
Quite the opposite imho. Politicians in America are by definition professional mendicants. They don’t fund anything except their reflection campaigns. Politicians are funded largely by the very very rich (human or corporate). If you say that “the media” is funded largely by that group I would tend to agree with you though.
1. It's no surprise that convenience stores and gas stations are a problem. They should hate ecigs because of the threat to tobacco sales. A lot of them would be out of business if nobody was buying cigarettes. In the mean time governments won't do anything serious to stop illegal sales. Tobacco licenses are dirt cheap everywhere and when was one ever revoked for selling to minors?
2. Marketing ecigs to kids raises a bigger issue--marketing anything to kids under any circumstances. Look back 100 years or more. Nobody was marketing anything to kids. Back then how would it be done. It's been the common law forever that nobody gives anything to any kid if their parents might not approve. Strangers shouldn't be trying to influence other people's kids. If you want to sell toys FOR kids direct the advertising to the parents. The only exception I can think of is schooling and even that can be controversial depending on what is taught in school.
3. With the smallest possible number of exceptions parents should be in charge of their kids. I think parents should be deciding about posession of ecigs.
2. Marketing ecigs to kids raises a bigger issue--marketing anything to kids under any circumstances. Look back 100 years or more. Nobody was marketing anything to kids. Back then how would it be done. It's been the common law forever that nobody gives anything to any kid if their parents might not approve. Strangers shouldn't be trying to influence other people's kids. If you want to sell toys FOR kids direct the advertising to the parents. The only exception I can think of is schooling and even that can be controversial depending on what is taught in school.
3. With the smallest possible number of exceptions parents should be in charge of their kids. I think parents should be deciding about posession of ecigs.
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