FDA says today's Wall St. Journal article is wrong
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But if the rollback date is actually enforced, Big Brother will
Cuz innovation here will skyrocket!
It's the USA's "modding" movement that has made the industry what it is today.
The Chinese didn't invent a manual switch e-cig....WE DID!
They didn't invent a VV device......WE DID!
And there's no way in hell that I'm gonna go back to this:
When I can build this in my garage (mod created by Berger):
And let's not forget rba's....
That'll wipe out BT's plans if the rollback is enforced.
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I truly Believe that the Least of your Worries will be the Non-Disclosure of PG to VG Ratios in an e-Liquid.
What if e-Liquids are Only going to be Sold in Pre-Filled Proprietary Threaded Cartos with a $2 Tax per 5 Pack?
BTW - Is it true that R.J. Reynolds Vuse has a Chip in the Atomizer that Doesn't Allow Refilling?
Kinda like the way an Ink Jet Cartridge stops working when It Decides it is Empty.
But if the rollback date is actually enforced, Big Brother will.....
Cuz innovation here will skyrocket!
It's the USA's "modding" movement that has made the industry what it is today.
The Chinese didn't invent a manual switch e-cig....WE DID!
They didn't invent a VV device......WE DID!
And there's no way in hell that I'm gonna go back to this:
When I can build this in my garage (mod created by Berger):
And let's not forget RBA's....
That'll wipe out BT's plans if the rollback is enforced.
LOL! The average person is not going to run to Radio Shack and piece together their altoids mod. I doubt if I'll ever get interested in a rba either. Sorry. Not that fiddigity.
I think the ultimate mission is to provide every smoker to get what they need in order to enable them with an opportunity to have a choice to quit if they want to.
A lot of people reported it was easier to quit with RYO due to the lack of additives. They could have just raised the taxes equal to commerical cigs and didn't.
The rollback to 2009 does not include BT since they are "grandfathered" in and they will be able to bring "like" products to market with far less oversight. A small regulatory loophole. Ever wonder why they keep their focus on cig-alikes only? I'm sure they have extensive marketing teams and focus groups that have shown cig-alikes are not what tend to use to actually quit with or stay with over a period of time. That's the kind of thing BT and BP does really well. Cig-alikes could probably pass the 2009 test as being similar to what was already on the market.
I believe there were backroom deals in the UK that reassured several cig-alike makers that they would easily pass the 2009 test. It sounds like that may be the cookie jar that the FDA was trying to broker a similar deal with.
It's illegal to have a pack of cigs without a state stamp. There's no reason a similar regulation can't go into effect on mods making homegrown devices challenging - and not marketable. Stupid? Duh. Who's going to check? Well, there's always stop and frisk policies, minor traffic stops and it's just a PITA most people don't want to deal with. Most people don't even want to go down to a head shop for an ecig (one of my town's first b&m's for ecigs). I stalled vaping because it looked like paraphernalia to me. I did see one model legislation proposed, that didn't pass and was changed, which included criminal charges for "unapproved devices" (I can't find it since), i.e. needed to have some sort of a state seal showing it was approved and legal. Ugh.
I'm not saying all these things will happen. I'm saying there is potential based on things that have been attempted or happened. The legislation has been passed. This is deeming. A lot can happen with regulation after that which we have little say in since these are not elected politicians. These are corporate CEO's at the head of the table, little more - unless you consider they are used to earning more in an hour than most people earn in a year. "Hard work" is cashing a dividend check. They have no idea what life is like for anyone else.
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BP has much bigger pockets. They also have (unsuccessful) nicotine inhalers, applied and gotten extensions for NRT's from 6 weeks to 6 months use and make a ton of money off cessation products for a "condition" that has less than a 10% success rate in 6 months. What other health condition is treatable for such expense with so small of a result?
That would only apply to manufactured devices, but not on a DIY kit.
This is why RYO had far lower taxes over mass produced cigs.
Since a kit is nothing more (or less) than it's parts, it cannot be regulated (or taxed) as a finished product.
Rarely do you even see device's like Berger's for sale, but a kit with assembly instructions could easily be marketed without any state stamp or regulatory mandates.
The shops which opened to just "MAKE A QUICK BUCK" will fall by the way-side and wont/dont have the foresight to be prepared for what may be coming in regulations or taxation.(IF ANY).
As far as pricing.I dont think that website sales neccesarily keep the prices low at B&M's.And I think if there is a gaggle of B&M's that pop up,they will probably limit each other on prices due to the competition.
As far as pricing.I dont think that website sales neccesarily keep the prices low at B&M's.And I think if there is a gaggle of B&M's that pop up,they will probably limit each other on prices due to the competition.
I remember 25 years ago when I said to myself...."When cigs hit $2/pack, I'm gonna quit."
I didn't quit until May 5th, 2009....when they were nearly $5/pack.
Vaper's WILL pay the higher prices to avoid going back to smoking.
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You are right. Non-Disclosure of PG to VG Ratios in an e-Liquid will be the least of our concerns. It may be the "other" addictive unknown chemicals that are added just like are added to cigs that will be the scary part.
Personally, I Don't think there is going to be an issue with things like Added Chemicals to e-Liquid.
People are much more aware Today about the FDA/BT doings. And the Internet/Social Media Explosion in the Last 10 Years makes it Very Hard for Anyone to Pull a Fast One.
Too many people Like Kurt, and Forums like the ECF, are out there who can Easily Determine just what inside an e-Liquid.
High Prices. Very Limited Flavor Choice. No High Nicotine Levels. Complete FDA Backed Monopoly on e-Liquid Production and Sales.
Yes. But I don't think we will have Problems with BT Adding things to Hook People on e-Liquids.
If net sales are banned, I expect to see more B&Ms... a good thing... and prices at some of them drop due to gaining more customers.. another good thing. I also expect to see a much improved line of products carried at the fast stops and grocers right next to the competing BT products.. yet another good thing. The same areas of competition (quality/service/price) will be in play that's on the net now, it will just be local. Competition is a good thing for us.
Edit: I'm not saying I'm for net banning.. I'm not... but I am trying to point out the positives that could happen and how a ban could actually backfire. There will also be more kiosk vendors making vaping more visible for instance... as I expect the TV advertising I've been seeing will be squashed.
Edit: I'm not saying I'm for net banning.. I'm not... but I am trying to point out the positives that could happen and how a ban could actually backfire. There will also be more kiosk vendors making vaping more visible for instance... as I expect the TV advertising I've been seeing will be squashed.
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Just for clarification, 2007 is the date for the grandfather clause...
The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes
You do understand that when an e-Liquid becomes a "Tobacco Product" that anyone selling e-Liquid in Arizona is going to have to Comply with ALL State, County and City Laws/Regulations regarding Tobacco Products.
I don't foresee B&M Shops Popping Up Left and Right like Mushrooms after a Spring Rain.
BTW - Just fill out this Form and we will get back to you in 12 ~ 16 Weeks. LOL
https://www.azdor.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=auCn6rxOH1A=&tabid=263&mid=866
RJR is already on top of that with the one they're about ready to roll out, saying it will give you the same feeling as a real cigarette. And that is coming from someone involved in who they will be using to disseminate info and customer service line. We all know that it's not like a real cig because there isn't all that stuff, to me that means Additive as I've posted before.
Edit. just found this, haven't got to read yet, everyone feel free to join mehttp://vaperanks.com/r-j-reynolds-tobacco-company-launches-vuse-electronic-cigarette/
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Okay....then, there's no way in hell Ima going back to this;
Bought my first one off eBay, the DSE901....in 2007.
It seems a bit glib to say that if online sales are banned, B&Ms will pop up to take up the slack and the only thing to worry about will be prices. Remember, there are state and local laws and ordinances governing licensing of retail outlets, and once ecigs are deemed, at the federal level, to be tobacco products, all retails outlets will be at the mercy of state and local governments. And we know the ANTZ are busy priming these bodies to be anti-ecig.
The only hope that's keeping me going is that FDA will realize before it's too late that an online sales ban would ultimately be unenforceable, which would prove as embarrassing to them as their NJOY defeat. No bureaucrat wants to be a public laughingstock.
The only hope that's keeping me going is that FDA will realize before it's too late that an online sales ban would ultimately be unenforceable, which would prove as embarrassing to them as their NJOY defeat. No bureaucrat wants to be a public laughingstock.
Vapor Industry Info if this sh@# ain't enough to scare you i don't know what is!
More scary stuff....reader be ware!
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm172906.htm
More scary stuff....reader be ware!
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm172906.htm
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This is a Good Find! I wonder if Bill G. is still looking for products from 2007 and before?? I dont know if he actually NEEDS them or if product info is enough? Sorry a bit off topic!Okay....then, there's no way in hell Ima going back to this;
Bought my first one off eBay, the DSE901....in 2007.
I think IMHO we need to start supporting (exclusively) online vendors who are supporting US! The cream has to rise to the top. The vendors committed to supporting CASAA and maybe members of AEMSA are the ones I believe are going to fight this thing down to the wire. There is a different business model and frame of mind from one that is in this for the long haul vs someone that has an exit plan when the water gets too hot!
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