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[Myrany]

Everyone who is a part of this forum is required to be 18+ (i believe) and thus an adult and any adult should be capable of doing their own research. I am sure a lot of new vapers stumble onto this forum while doing their research.

And I do agree that many people come here asking questions like "What is the best E-cig out there" thinking they are doing their own research. The answer to that can be a disposible E-cig found at a local gas station. That could be better to them than a Provari because that fits their needs perfectly.

ANd I am with you on that.

Over the years I have spent a great deal of time on gaming forums. I know first hand how nasty things can get and how it can be very off putting to new people. The thread the OP was referring to in terms of a gaming forum wasn't all that bad but in terms of here really was horrid. It degenerated into a pissing contest of epic proportions with a great many personal attacks. That doesn't help anyone adult or not.

 

[Myrany]

The thing on research is when I was looking I finally figured out I was reading a lot of fake review sites and also getting the information from producers can paint an improper picture. The reality of information looked up is not always the most accurate.

I came into the forum with very specific requirements but didn't know what everything was except from fake review sites and manufacturer sites. Those things steered me in the wrong direction. My specific requirements match what I ended up with in the end. I went with what was recommended and was very disappointed in the results. My cigalikes actually did a better job for my situation than what I ended up with. I wish some happy users would have seen my posts telling me I was asking for something that existed. I felt I was being led to something that did not match what I was going to be doing.

After making several poor buying decisions I discovered the posts from some users and I saw what they had and it fit what I was looking for. There were several devices that would have fit what I said I wanted but those were not mentioned much. Before I finally made my choice I almost got a Silver Bullet with a kick, I almost got that after leaving the beginners area. I then ran into the fanboys and saw they had what they wanted.

Sometimes the newbies ask about these devices specifically. What is the harm in responding to them if they ask about a specific device or describe a device that is a tight fit for what they say they want?

On thread that had a mild dust-up in it the new member asked specifically about one of these. I assume he wanted a response from an owner of one. I don't want to trust a manufacturer or a false review site to tell me what I want. I want to hear what users think before I buy.

Nothing wrong with addressing the device they ask about specifically but there is also nothing wrong in pointing out alternatives to that device either.

As I have said a couple of times now my problem wasn't discussing the provari though I do PERSONALLY think its overkill. It wasn't with the alternatives. It WAS with the vile flames and personal attacks that degraded the thread to the point that I felt what good info there was was lost in the shouting.

 

[The Ocelot]

Jen: YOU SO SMART!!! You get *it*!! DING DING DING!!!

You know, someone insulted my CHOICE OF DOG because I was trying to convey that point. Hurt my feelers AND made BUTCH mad!

Is Butch a feeler?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Nothing wrong with addressing the device they ask about specifically but there is also nothing wrong in pointing out alternatives to that device either.

As I have said a couple of times now my problem wasn't discussing the provari though I do PERSONALLY think its overkill. It wasn't with the alternatives. It WAS with the vile flames and personal attacks that degraded the thread to the point that I felt what good info there was was lost in the shouting.

Here is a sum up of the criteria I gave and responses to questions.

1. The unit I want will be desk based. When I start working I might not leave the desk once for 12 hours. I don't want to have to fill or change batteries and so on during that time. I wanted to set up and run for the rest of the day.

A lot of things fit this requirement.

2. It would be nice if it could stand up not taking up a lot of real estate on the desk.

What was recommended the most was so top heavy with the 12 hour requirement that it fell over regularly.

3. What ever I got I wanted to stick with at least a year, I wanted something less likely to break than most products out there. I wanted a single device I could grow into, not out of. I also wanted to cut down on the clutter I had of things I regretted buying.

4. Budget, no worries. I didn't care on price.

5. I didn't care if it was easily portable or not, I would get another device that was portable if I had to.

Someone did recommend a bottom feeder, I might have been happy with that I don't know but I also got response to not get anything more than an eGo.

I loaded up for bear on eGo stuff. I was ready for it all. The cord got in the way of productive work. The tank made it top heavy and on a 1000mah twist it will eventually make the top of the carto tank come loose after several falls and there is a big mess. It was not the best candidate to last me a year without replacing. I said I didn't care about the cost but I think cost was mentioned a lot quite a bit. I was not sure on what delivery system I would end up at but being versatile enough to change directions some is very nice. I started using V2 cigalikes again because of the passthough and falling over making a mess issues but that was a hassle changing batteries over and over and cartomizers over and over.

I then saw these heavy looking devices with these nice big tanks and lots of runtime. That was what I wanted the moment I arrived, I already head multiple cigalike kits I got because of review sites as the best out there. I wanted something stable enough to not fall over every time I bumped the desk, I wanted it to stand up and be out of the way, I wanted a big tank, I didn't want to replace it in less than a year, I wanted it to be able to grow with me. The Silver Bullet with kick almost became it. A bottom feeder almost became it then I found the Provari people. What I saw was very few complaints about the device. A boat load of happy users saying it was reliable, tough, versatile, not hard to operate, and the complaint I most heard was a plus for me since I wanted stability, it was that it was heavy.

If the fanboys would have found me they could have sold me on it very easily since it fit what I was looking for.

When a new person shows up it can be hard to tell what they have done and seen so far and ask about one of these. I don't think it is bad to ask if they have thought about other options but to try and steer them away from it without ever owning one seems wrong. I would think it would be better for an owner to steer them away but first listen to what there expectations are.

If feel like I came in describing what I ended up with but got detoured away to something else that was a really poor fit for me.

I don't want to be a hobbiest, I just want to vape and have the best devices to fit my lifestyle. I have found what I can live with for the next year as my desk unit. I think a smaller version of the same would make me happy for my portable unit. I now want to find a hands free unit but I have a feeling what ever I find will disappoint me after having such a fantastic fit as a desk unit.

I was not a fan boy when I ordered it, I became one after it fit what I wanted so well after being steered in other directions.

 

[The Ocelot]

~~~~Worship Me~~~~​

 

[Mr.Mann]

Nothing wrong with addressing the device they ask about specifically but there is also nothing wrong in pointing out alternatives to that device either.

As I have said a couple of times now my problem wasn't discussing the provari though I do PERSONALLY think its overkill. It wasn't with the alternatives. It WAS with the vile flames and personal attacks that degraded the thread to the point that I felt what good info there was was lost in the shouting.

When I was in the market for a VV, that was when Lavatubes were all the rage and ProVaris seemed like an unnecessary splurge to many (still do). Everyone kept saying, "why get a ProVari when you could get a Lavatube for less than half the cost?" Well, I am very glad I didn't listen to that advice. The point, the major point here is that I was in the market for VV so the advice was appropriate.

The one problem I see with the ProVari is that for too many, they think that the ProVari is the end all be all when in reality, it is just a really good device, but it is not going to replace every other specialized device. A ProVari does what it is supposed to do and it does it well, but when you want it to go beyond what it is supposed to do, then people should see why it is not the end all be all.

As for people being fanboys/girls about the device? A device? People will vigorously argue and debate about anything! This post from a retired ECF member, Ohai, says it all (it's too old to quote properly from a closed thread of mine):

"It's always the Sharks and the Jets, where ever you go- this kind of petty drama is just human nature. Everybody wants to start a rumble.

I could tell you hair raising stories about the grisly cross forum/facebook/twitter battles fought and died for between fans of certain gluten-free recipe bloggers/authors over Amazon reviews, with the authors themselves egging their rabid defenders on. I've seen some truly hateful stuff, ranging from disgusting name calling to actual death wishes on people's children. And what these people are so passionate about are blogs and cookbooks about flour substitutes. For muffins.

I had the misfortune to post a (legitimate) somewhat negative review of one of these fine "ladies'" cookbooks for which I paid far too much money, and was subsequently swooped down upon by a pack of really cranky carb-deprived blog minions questioning everything from the freshness of my baking powder, to my sanity, to my ability to read at all. Someone may have even questioned the very species of my parentage. And it's not like I ground her into the floor like a cigarette ...., either, I gave her a 3, and still I got nasty mail for weeks from total strangers.

Everybody needs to feel like they belong to something bigger than themselves. Even loners have heroes they'll defend to the death. Daily life can become drab and lonely, and there's no better cure for boredom than a good old fashioned feud. Unless you read, or play some sort of sport, or have some other kind of interesting hobby you could indulge in until the urge to make an ... out of yourself on the internet passes, that is.

Anyway. Yes, it's normal, for any possible subject under the sun." http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/300542-vendor-vs-vendor.html#post6214725

 

[NGAHaze]

~~~~Worship Me~~~~​

That kinda looks like Butch only with more fur!

 

[JJOOHHNN]

When I was in the market for a VV, that was when Lavatubes were all the rage and ProVaris seemed like an unnecessary splurge to many (still do). Everyone kept saying, "why get a ProVari when you could get a Lavatube for less than half the cost?" Well, I am very glad I didn't listen to that advice. The point, the major point here is that I was in the market for VV so the advice was appropriate.

The one problem I see with the ProVari is that for too many, they think that the ProVari is the end all be all when in reality, it is just a really good device, but it is not going to replace every other specialized device. A ProVari does what it is supposed to do and it does it well, but when you want it to go beyond what it is supposed to do, then people should see why it is not the end all be all.

As for people being fanboys/girls about the device? A device? People will vigorously argue and debate about anything! This post from a retired ECF member, Ohai, says it all (it's too old to quote properly from a closed thread of mine):

"It's always the Sharks and the Jets, where ever you go- this kind of petty drama is just human nature. Everybody wants to start a rumble.

I could tell you hair raising stories about the grisly cross forum/facebook/twitter battles fought and died for between fans of certain gluten-free recipe bloggers/authors over Amazon reviews, with the authors themselves egging their rabid defenders on. I've seen some truly hateful stuff, ranging from disgusting name calling to actual death wishes on people's children. And what these people are so passionate about are blogs and cookbooks about flour substitutes. For muffins.

I had the misfortune to post a (legitimate) somewhat negative review of one of these fine "ladies'" cookbooks for which I paid far too much money, and was subsequently swooped down upon by a pack of really cranky carb-deprived blog minions questioning everything from the freshness of my baking powder, to my sanity, to my ability to read at all. Someone may have even questioned the very species of my parentage. And it's not like I ground her into the floor like a cigarette ...., either, I gave her a 3, and still I got nasty mail for weeks from total strangers.

Everybody needs to feel like they belong to something bigger than themselves. Even loners have heroes they'll defend to the death. Daily life can become drab and lonely, and there's no better cure for boredom than a good old fashioned feud. Unless you read, or play some sort of sport, or have some other kind of interesting hobby you could indulge in until the urge to make an ... out of yourself on the internet passes, that is.

Anyway. Yes, it's normal, for any possible subject under the sun." http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/300542-vendor-vs-vendor.html#post6214725

I don't think anyone thinks it is the be all and end all. Sometimes when you are looking for gear and you ask for the most reliable motor home no matter the cost someone tells you to get a little sports car, you comment it is not sturdy enough and then they show you an Aston Martin, you say it is too little and they tell you to get a bigger sports car.

 

[ScottP]

Why does Provari seem like an Apple product to me? For some reason Apple has managed to create a cult like following for it's products to the point they could put poop in a can and call it the iPoop and some people would camp out for days to be the first person they know with one. Are they good products? Sure. Then again so are the Samsung Galaxy phones.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Why does Provari seem like an Apple product to me? For some reason Apple has managed to create a cult like following for it's products to the point they could put poop in a can and call it the iPoop and some people would camp out for days to be the first person they know with one. Are they good products? Sure. Then again so are the Samsung Galaxy phones.

For me was for a couple of reason. The other products I tried and some that were recommended to me were a major disappointment for me. This is the first product that met and exceeded my expectations and meshed with my wants. I have found some others now that have met my expectations like Ikenvape, and Vaperfextion. There maybe other items in these categories I would like as well or better but they meet my expectations.

I don't have an iPhone or a Samsung so I cannot comment on that.

 

[The Ocelot]

For me was for a couple of reason. The other products I tried and some that were recommended to me were a major disappointment for me. This is the first product that met and exceeded my expectations and meshed with my wants. I have founds some others now that have met my expectations like Ikenvape, and Vaperfextion.

There may be products I would have liked as much but from reading about them I don't think it would be the case. I don't have an iPhone or a Samsung so I cannot comment on that.

Doing good....haven't said it yet....6 more days?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Doing good....haven't said it yet....6 more days?

Thanks

And dang this is hard.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Doing good....haven't said it yet....6 more days?

You are not a cat in real life are you?

Do cats make good caterpillar wranglers?

 

[nahoku]

As soon as I read the OP's post, I already knew what was coming!

Before I joined this forum I lurked for a few weeks. I read a lot of posts, and in just that short time, I already RECOGNIZED there were Provari fanboys running around! It was sooooo OBVIOUS! Unbelievably obvious!

The most notable thing that stands out in my mind is that fanboys will always say something related to how the other mods are "Chinese junk". It's even funnier that these same fanboys type their comments using their iPhone! Doh! Funnier still they say they don't support the Chinese because they don't live there! Doh! These fanboys are delusional! They need to look around their house at all the electronics they have and use daily. They need to get real!

Unfortunately, most fanboys don't even realize they're doing it. It's a sickness! All they have to do is think about a fanboy of something they're not a fan of... then they'll get it! You know, the closest group of people I can equate a Provari fanboy to is a Mac fanboy. Have they ever wondered why people think they're fanboys???

By the way, while I've recognized the fanboys here, I've also recognized those Provari owners who aren't blinded by it all!

 

[The Ocelot]

 

[JJOOHHNN]

As soon as I read the OP's post, I already knew what was coming!

Before I joined this forum I lurked for a few weeks. I read a lot of posts, and in just that short time, I already RECOGNIZED there were Provari fanboys running around! It was sooooo OBVIOUS! Unbelievably obvious!

The most notable thing that stands out in my mind is that fanboys will always say something related to how the other mods are "Chinese junk". It's even funnier that these same fanboys type their comments using their iPhone! Doh! Funnier still they say they don't support the Chinese because they don't live there! Doh! These fanboys are delusional! They need to look around their house at all the electronics they have and use daily. They need to get real!

Unfortunately, most fanboys don't even realize they're doing it. It's a sickness! All they have to do is think about a fanboy of something they're not a fan of... then they'll get it! You know, the closest group of people I can equate a Provari fanboy to is a Mac fanboy. Have they ever wondered why people think they're fanboys???

By the way, while I've recognized the fanboys here, I've also recognized those Provari owners who aren't blinded by it all!

I have not mentioned where anything was produced. I have not mentioned Chinese junk and I realize they are capable of making some good stuff. I don't have nor want an iPhone or a smart phone of any type. I don't have a Mac either. I really do like both the qualities, and quality however of what I have and really didn't like what I had. I also am starting to admire the REO as well but I am happy with what I have. I also find some of the mec mods interesting but not sure if I ever want one but I find them interesting. I do want something else really bad but I don't know if I will find one that is perfectly suited to the niche I want it to fill, maybe I will maybe I won't but what I have I will admit does not fill it.

While I do not own a Mac I know people that swear by them an I assume it is a very good tool for some people. I don't desire a smart phone but if it matches what they want and is a good fit power to them, I am not going to jump on them for finding a product that suits them so well. I have never used one so I don't know.

Why are you so against those that have found something we really like? Many of us have tried other things and fell into something that for some reason or other really appeal to us.

When someone asks if they should get one I do tell them my opinion of it, should I not do that? I do like it better than anything else I have used, should I not say that?

I have not gone into the Vamo section or the eGo section and told them I don't like what they use. I did say when I described what I wanted those suggesting the eGo to me in the new member section didn't understand what I was looking for.

Do you have one?

If I find a hands free solution that fits my life almost perfectly for those times I am doing something physical I will be a Fan Boy of it too but for that to happen it has to fit what I want it to do very well. I might have to accept a compromise solution. If it is a compromised solution I will use it but I will not be a Fan Boy of it.

 

[The Ocelot]

I have an iMac and a PC, use them both - just like Twists and ProThingys.

ETA: Where are the screws made? Where is the spring in the battery cap made? Where is the button made?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I don't tell The Ocelot that she should not use Twists. I have stated the reasons I don't want them but mine are specific reasons. I actually only want to have a very small number of devices as I don't like clutter but each device is to have a niche and if there is a backup I want the backup to be the same as the main. I don't want multiple devices to do the same exact job. I want them to do different jobs. It does not mean others shouldn't have more overlap than I want.

This Fan Boy thinks the Caravela's are lovely. I don't know if I could do fixed voltage. Maybe I could but I don't know. I can tell you that I do like quality.

 

[The Ocelot]

...I don't like clutter...

Uh oh. You really wouldn't like my studio.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Uh oh. You really wouldn't like my studio.

You can have a cluttered studio if you want. I just don't want one.