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With all due respect to the innovations of the past, I think it's time to acknowledge the new product to wear the crown - the Bobo.
From this day forward, we should do a search and replace of all recommendations to new vapers.
Just get a Bobo. You know you'll end up with it, so why waste time and money on anything else?
From this day forward, we should do a search and replace of all recommendations to new vapers.
Just get a Bobo. You know you'll end up with it, so why waste time and money on anything else?
A slipknot would look a little more innocent than a noose.
I just noticed your sigline. "Play with it till it's dead"
Are you sure you don't have a death fetish?
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With all due respect to the innovations of the past, I think it's time to acknowledge the new product to wear the crown - the Bobo.
From this day forward, we should do a search and replace of all recommendations to new vapers.
Just get a Bobo. You know you'll end up with it, so why waste time and money on anything else?
It takes a real man to vape a BoBo...
ETA: Have you got the Bobos to vape "Monkey Cream?"
With all due respect to the innovations of the past, I think it's time to acknowledge the new product to wear the crown - the Bobo.
From this day forward, we should do a search and replace of all recommendations to new vapers.
Just get a Bobo. You know you'll end up with it, so why waste time and money on anything else?
What is that?
You've never seen sigelei's design, ummm, miscalculation?
BOBO E cigarette_BOBO_SIGELEI Electronic Cigarette -
ETA: It's VV/VW!
ETAA: Oh looky! There's a matching his and hers!
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Jen is getting a ProThingy!!!! Jen is getting a ProThingy!!!! Jen is getting a ProThingy!!!!
(oh wait..is this how rumors get started?)
I literally started my morning by spitting my coffee everywhere reading this!!!
Shhhhhh!! They'll find me!!! 8-oAnd after reading more, I'll clarify - the Provari, IMO, is not what should be recommended to the average noob. A noob with specific requirements, fine. A somewhat noob that says "I'm ready for something more"? Have at 'em.
Insulting dogs, though? You're crossing a line....
This was my desk a few days ago:
Ocelot, have you ever heard of the )famous) artist Joseph Cornell? He did the wonderfully weird assemblage shadowboxes with toys, taxidermy, random object, prints etc. I don't know if you'll like his work, but I thought you might. Anyway, seeing your desk as of a few days ago made me remember studying this man.
p.s. I love your blog post about attys! That is awesome.
JJOOHHNN, out of that whole post I find it interesting that you latched onto that statement. Honestly, man, I couldn't be happier for you with your PV--I remember your thread (I think that was you) when it arrived. I love, love my ProVari and I think a lot of people, if given the chance, would love one too. However, there are some, if not quite a few, people that are head strong when talking about the device--and that's what it is, a device: a means to an end, but not the end itself--and many people get that twisted (not saying you).
I feel as if I must be missing some back story here (aside from the normal "the ProVari is the God of metal comments"), but if there is something I am missing out on, I do not mean to pile up on anyone in particular. My main objective was to commiserate with the OP in the stance that it gets frustrating when voices of reason get drowned out simply because more persistent and aggressive--though not better-voices must be heard/read.
I just recently started a thread called Regular Atty Drippers ( A Dying Breed?) because I quite frankly got tired of trying to talk about my preference for vaping and having to deal with a flood of "if you're not rebuilding your own wick and coil, you haven't vaped in a state of ecstasy" comments. Well, I have done that, done it right, but it wasn't for me, that's all. There's more than one way to skin a cat, but beating a dead horse (no matter the method) always looks the same.
p.s. Sorry if the convo has moved on, but my 4 week old only sleeps for 2 hours at a time and daddy can't go back to sleep. I would need something stronger than mother's milk. LOL
To me it all comes down to functionality -- does what you're using do the job you want it to do for you? I mean I've always wanted a Porsche, but my Chevies have always got the job done for me... Is the fit and finish better on the Porsche? Yes. Is the overall performance, perhaps, slightly better? Yes. Is the difference in price worth having the 'label' for? Not for me. So, again, to me once those basic requirements are met it all becomes about 'status' and how much you're willing to pay for it. If you've got deep-pockets and can stand the hit a Provari will give it have at it and own a couple dozen. If not, then don't knock the rest of us who don't want, or can't, drop the money on one...
Thank you on both counts. I was already making box assemblages when I learned about Cornell - I am a huge fan! It's an honor for me to bring him to mind.
Oh boy! Maybe all that damn money I spent for a BFA paid off!
I am so happy that not only did you know who I am talking about, but you had surreptitiously (I imagine) came to him while already engaged in that way of making art. Nice!
SERIOUSLY? I bet you also get mad at stand up comedians who make jokes that you don't like too?
It's called an observation and an option and a very good one at that. And OP didn't say anything about Provape not being a good company either, so save your long winded defense for another time.
Maybe that happens but I have not seen it. What I have noticed is when someone asks about one people try and steer them away.
There is a world of difference between "I was looking into XXXX and wondering what the owners think about it" and "I am new, What is the best Mod out there".
The first example shows that there was at least some research done. They have looked at a specific device and was inquiring on information on that. I am all for asking questions to gain information to supplement the information already researched.
The latter just looks like someone who is too lazy to do their own research or someone who wants to start a pissing contest between the fanboys. Fanboys pissing all over each other is no better than the mis-information from the manufacturers or bogus reviews.
Both of these taste exactly the same, one cost $2, the other $200
So why have the Provari? Because I can make it taste different.
I owned an auto restoration company, and restored hundreds of Porsche's over the years. Why have a Porsche? because it can do this,
Porsche 911GT3 racing at Brands Hatch - YouTube
and go to the store for bread & milk.
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Sorry about the lateness of this response. This old lady HAD to sleep sometime and it was 3AM when I logged last night.
I think alot of people latched on to the provari vs vamo debate and went after me on that basis. The argument over which never was my issue in that other thread. It was the nastiness it degraded into (specifically the piling on and personal attacks) that I found shameful. The Op of this thread was particularly set upon.
Now if what JJOOHHNN posted is his thinking when he started the other thread then yes the standard beginners fair devices were not particularly GOOD solutions for HIM. I read that other thread twice. It wasn't until a post in THIS thread that I saw clearly articulated the real practical reasons for why beginners fair gear wouldn't work. Maybe I missed it in the other thread who knows.
In any case if it had been articulated this clearly I myself would have advocated doing some research on other similar devices to the provari. Who knows there might be something out there that would be liked better. See the word "MIGHT" there, I am not shoving something else. Merely suggesting further research.
Like I said my issue was the nastiness that really doesn't serve anyone well.
On a humorous note I used a Windows machine BECAUSE my hubby is a rabid Mac fan. Using a Windows machine absolutely positively guarantees the hubby will NEVER touch it much less tinker with it. I never have to worry about turning it on and finding he has put a little thing on it so that the letters printed when a key is struck are all scrambled( press t and get L kind of thing). When we shared a Mac he was FAMOUS for doing that crap.
Edit: did JJOOHHNN even start that other thread? I am not awake enough to remember or go hunt for it yet. After coffee maybe. Now not a good plan.
I think alot of people latched on to the provari vs vamo debate and went after me on that basis. The argument over which never was my issue in that other thread. It was the nastiness it degraded into (specifically the piling on and personal attacks) that I found shameful. The Op of this thread was particularly set upon.
Now if what JJOOHHNN posted is his thinking when he started the other thread then yes the standard beginners fair devices were not particularly GOOD solutions for HIM. I read that other thread twice. It wasn't until a post in THIS thread that I saw clearly articulated the real practical reasons for why beginners fair gear wouldn't work. Maybe I missed it in the other thread who knows.
In any case if it had been articulated this clearly I myself would have advocated doing some research on other similar devices to the provari. Who knows there might be something out there that would be liked better. See the word "MIGHT" there, I am not shoving something else. Merely suggesting further research.
Like I said my issue was the nastiness that really doesn't serve anyone well.
On a humorous note I used a Windows machine BECAUSE my hubby is a rabid Mac fan. Using a Windows machine absolutely positively guarantees the hubby will NEVER touch it much less tinker with it. I never have to worry about turning it on and finding he has put a little thing on it so that the letters printed when a key is struck are all scrambled( press t and get L kind of thing). When we shared a Mac he was FAMOUS for doing that crap.
Edit: did JJOOHHNN even start that other thread? I am not awake enough to remember or go hunt for it yet. After coffee maybe. Now not a good plan.
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Some of the dust up you are seeing and comments is because of a thread where someone asked specifically about one of these. It might be time for me to leave this forum.
JJOOHHNN, I'd hate to see you leave, even if to another part of the forum. Sometimes we have to back away because ECF can take on a mind of its own, but just know that you have as much of a valid place here as anyone.
I actually don't get why some people get all ruffled about others suggesting Provari's or GG's or Darwin's or Vamo's etc for newbies. I don't advocate newbies get them for their first ecig, but some newbies do and love them. Some love ego types and they are great for newbies. If it is just a cost issue, that I get because I have spent way more on ego Twists than the cost of a higher end PV. Replaceable batt PV's are always cheaper in the long run than ego types because the ego types loose their punch over time or drop them and they are dead and you have to buy new ego batts that cost way more than replaceable batts.
So economically replaceable batt PV's are the best deal no matter what brand you get.
For me I like variety and will always try different things. They all have their advantages. I love ego types for on the go, I have a variety of PV's and I switch around using them all. I don't regret buying any of them. bnrk
So economically replaceable batt PV's are the best deal no matter what brand you get.
For me I like variety and will always try different things. They all have their advantages. I love ego types for on the go, I have a variety of PV's and I switch around using them all. I don't regret buying any of them. bnrk
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