Link was for paladinx.
Can't help you with your health worries as I don't vape for health, safety or cessation.
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Link was for paladinx.
Can't help you with your health worries as I don't vape for health, safety or cessation.
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I'm well aware that the link was to Johnson's Creek. The link was for paladinx. paladinx is the poster looking for liquid manufactured in the US. Short of DIY e-liquid Johnson's Creek is the closest he's going to get at the moment. Clear now?
Joe, reread everything Yvilla wrote on page two. Then go read the "germ-killing vapor" thread. Read Dr. Laugesen's final report in October. Then, if you're still paranoid, don't e-smoke.
You are WAY off base and might screw up the minds of those who can't -- or won't -- read.
You are WAY off base and might screw up the minds of those who can't -- or won't -- read.
Let's not forget both propylene glycol and glycerol. They're in cigarettes, too.
What part of ITS IN CIGARETTES TOO do you keep missing? Then you will have cancer and liver failure.
I should have read before I replied.
It royally ticks me off that they wont reply to that part. lol
There are 4,000 other chemicals in cigarettes too, most of which are at such small percentages that it wouldn't have an effect on you anyway. I do not doubt that there might be PG in cigarettes. perhaps all of them have it, maybe only some brands. If it is in cigarettes i would imagine there is only a small amount, But even so, whats the point? Who cares if they are in cigarettes lol. Pg is also in many other products. But what I would like to know, if anyone knows, is how much or how the PG is being used in various products.
1 - You don't vape
2 - You ignore the science presented
3 - You make statements without providing any evidence when requested
What exactly are you looking for since any response that does not agree with your original position would be ignored.
I'm glad you laughed at the rainbow lady but it does seem to indicate you are blissfully unaware how closely it mirrors your own behaviour.
Umm.. I think he's stated he does vape.
Also, he brought up the point I was about to ask: how much PG is in a cigarette?
Not much and apparently is in the filter:
tobaccodocuments.org/profiles/propylene_glycol<DOT>html
BTW I use my own tubes and pure tobacco for my 'analogs'.
YOU DO NOT present science. It is well acknowledged by most reasonable folk here that there's been no scientific data trials on inhalation at these levels. I've posted elsewhere a link that NASA initiating research and has a great (though technical) synopsis of studies to date. There, I stated that the case for PG may seems to be positive, yet preliminary.
PG just doesn't work for me... 'out of body' feeling like I've only exprienced by smoking PCP (in my misguided youth;o ) ) , tilngling of the skin, loss of balance..
Just google "Vegitable Glycerine" and "Liver" and decide for yourself on that topic.
Also, he brought up the point I was about to ask: how much PG is in a cigarette?
Not much and apparently is in the filter:
tobaccodocuments.org/profiles/propylene_glycol<DOT>html
BTW I use my own tubes and pure tobacco for my 'analogs'.
YOU DO NOT present science. It is well acknowledged by most reasonable folk here that there's been no scientific data trials on inhalation at these levels. I've posted elsewhere a link that NASA initiating research and has a great (though technical) synopsis of studies to date. There, I stated that the case for PG may seems to be positive, yet preliminary.
PG just doesn't work for me... 'out of body' feeling like I've only exprienced by smoking PCP (in my misguided youth;o ) ) , tilngling of the skin, loss of balance..
Just google "Vegitable Glycerine" and "Liver" and decide for yourself on that topic.
Its unfortunate though that you have me all figured out and criticize my posts, but yet have not added one thing worth a damn other then just snotty remarks and witty comments.
Joe, its not about any of that. What we have here is the typical thing that occurs on every forum. Its a cult mentality, if you go against the grain or bring up any questions they attack. And they will make it seem like you are a ...... for bringing up common sense concerns, but in all actuality its because they want to be here, worship their idols, read a few studies that says what they do is OK, and blissfully suck on their e-cigarette. And besides, after 1300 posts u probably have nothing productive left to say anyway.
Joe, its not about any of that. What we have here is the typical thing that occurs on every forum. Its a cult mentality, if you go against the grain or bring up any questions they attack. And they will make it seem like you are a ...... for bringing up common sense concerns, but in all actuality its because they want to be here, worship their idols, read a few studies that says what they do is OK, and blissfully suck on their e-cigarette. And besides, after 1300 posts u probably have nothing productive left to say anyway.
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I keep finding these topics is PG or VG safe as an inhalant?
Well, consider this:
Propylene glycol is currently one of the base products used in some aerosol antibiotics, immunosuppressents, and asthma inhalers.
Glycerine has replaced fluorocarbons as a base in some asthma inhalers.
Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist or any critical thinking skills to realize that if PG and VG are being used in asthma inhalers in which asthmatics inhale, then I'm a thinking it's aok for me to inhale.
The fact is some people may be allergic to PG. Well, for pete's sake, switch to VG!
Go forth now and share the vape! (and play nice in my playground)
Well, consider this:
Propylene glycol is currently one of the base products used in some aerosol antibiotics, immunosuppressents, and asthma inhalers.
Glycerine has replaced fluorocarbons as a base in some asthma inhalers.
Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist or any critical thinking skills to realize that if PG and VG are being used in asthma inhalers in which asthmatics inhale, then I'm a thinking it's aok for me to inhale.
The fact is some people may be allergic to PG. Well, for pete's sake, switch to VG!
Go forth now and share the vape! (and play nice in my playground)
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So, when you post, nobody is allowed to respond, is that how it is?
all forums are alike i guess. got to take the good with the bad and somehow not take it personal. when it gets personal time to take a break.
so is all liquid from china except jc? no other usa makers of liquid?
is there a problem with china liquid then if it mostly comes from china?
so all the ecig websites selling liquid it comes from china? you wouldn't think it to see some of their claims about it being from china.
i've seen some websites saying how their liquid is quality and made in a quality place, but it all comes from china no matter who is making the claim?
is there a problem with china liquid then if it mostly comes from china?
so all the ecig websites selling liquid it comes from china? you wouldn't think it to see some of their claims about it being from china.
i've seen some websites saying how their liquid is quality and made in a quality place, but it all comes from china no matter who is making the claim?
I already apologized for that one. When I responded I thought it was the OP.
A little too quick to take offense that time.
Lionking: first of all welcome to the forums
About China: Almost all our liquid is coming from there. And in the years since they have been delivering to all western and other countries, not one single person has died... so as just an ordinary bystander I would say, that there doesn't seem much to worry about as to their way of making the stuff... (there is more then one place making liquid in China btw, it isn't all from one place - but DeKang, one of the bigger ones, is posting right here on the forum since a short while, so you can read more in that thread about them).
Johnson Creek is not the only non-chinese liquid. There are also at least two european liquid-makers (one in spain, one in england; and I think one in germany too but not sure on that one).
Hope that answers your question.
About China: Almost all our liquid is coming from there. And in the years since they have been delivering to all western and other countries, not one single person has died... so as just an ordinary bystander I would say, that there doesn't seem much to worry about as to their way of making the stuff... (there is more then one place making liquid in China btw, it isn't all from one place - but DeKang, one of the bigger ones, is posting right here on the forum since a short while, so you can read more in that thread about them).
Johnson Creek is not the only non-chinese liquid. There are also at least two european liquid-makers (one in spain, one in england; and I think one in germany too but not sure on that one).
Hope that answers your question.
I don't think it's 'playing nice' to throw around that 'critical thinking' phrase every time you disagree with someone to say they're stupid.
I was given an asthma inhaler a while back when the Vog here in Hawaii was giving me breathing problems. I have never had asthma in my life, for the record.
My breathing got much worse when I used the inhaler. I believe I feel better when I vape non-PG. Coincidence? I don't know, but it's interesting to find out there is PG in those stupid inhalers. Thanks for the info.
See I wrote what my concern was in another thread about that. And I say it as a question, not as a statement to pick a fight. I hear that PG is in everything from cosmetics to inhalers etc. And even lung transplant patients using PG inhalers etc. That sounds like good news in a way, Maybe it is not toxic, or the toxicity is very low. But my main question that I am wondering is, even if it is used in inhalers, how much of it is really in it, and how much PG does an asthma patient really inhale a day? My personal concern with PG is not so much if a little bit of PG is gonna kill you. Its more about long term, continuous concentrated exposures. im curious how the body has to keep ridding itself of excessive PG, and if that effects your blood chemistry or organs at all. Someone said they did a study about this, but i couldnt find it.
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Unless they start spouting off about conspiracies and how even scientific peer reviews studies are compromised and can't be trusted. At that point, any rational discussion devolves into endless mental .........ion and the only value left is derived from poking the monkeys.
Nuck, you have over 1300 posts, so obviously you been here probably much longer then I have. You probably have read more about it and have seen more studies and formed your own opinions. I am new here and have come here with I feel are common sense concerns or questions and just have started to read studies about e-cigarettes. So cut us some slack.
Sometimes something that sounds ......ed might have truth in it. Just like that rainbow lady, whether she was joking or not, or really was that crazy, even what she said had some truth to it. Perhaps the water where that woman lives is horrendous, and in the south some of the water is real nasty. and she made a joke video about it. =
Sometimes something that sounds ......ed might have truth in it. Just like that rainbow lady, whether she was joking or not, or really was that crazy, even what she said had some truth to it. Perhaps the water where that woman lives is horrendous, and in the south some of the water is real nasty. and she made a joke video about it. =
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