Intro To The "3DFS ALPHA" By: Digitalciggz.com

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mwa102464

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Hey all, the Alpha unit in the video already has USB Charge/PT capability.
That would be the "Smart Charge" Circuitry. ;)

I decided against using a digital display for now, as most available options are too large.
I am a minimalist at heart. I love symmetry and simplicity.
There will be a visual indicator, simply not numerical. It will however be, intuitive.

The liquid trough that was also previously mentioned will be in the final version.
This has been the plan all along since with the feed system this utilizes, it is a necessity.

:)

I didnt see where he asked LT I only saw his last post above and thought he had made his decision with what he said, no pun intended buddy
 

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Shad0w maybe you can incorporate your Mod into an i phone, apple would drop dead in there shoes as all vapers with i phones like me would have to have it, now we could call this the ivape, hahahahah

I have alread considered hooking a PT to the USB port on my HTC TILT2. I'm afraid to hurt it. lol
 

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This mod looks like it might perform well, judging from the video... However......

From an engineering design point of view....

Complexity for the sake of complexity doesn't always a good design make, unless you are trying to win a Rube Goldberg competition. As the old adage goes, the simplest solution is often the most elegant. That was my first reaction when I saw this mod.

Adding complexity - such as in this case - also adds additional points of failure. I have to look upon it with a skeptical eye, unless it can be shown how this mod improves performance over much simpler bottom fed box mods.

Things to ponder when it comes to additional cost, complexity, points of failure, replacement parts, maintenance, safety, and everyday use:

1) A micro pump - complexity and point of failure.
2) A tube that sticks out (how will this effect it's transportability and everyday use?). Another point of failure.
3) Custom parts - like the tube and the piece that fits between the atty and mouth piece.
4) USB charging circuit. Will this charging circuit conform to battery manufacturers recommended CC/CV charging algorithm/profile (for both safety and longevity of the 18650 batteries?) Charging L-ion batteries has inherent safety risk/concerns (overcharging, thermal runaway etc.) Does this design address this? How about liability? Has end use been considered in terms of safety and liability? For example, will an end user leave this plugged in in the car to charge the battery (a USB charging port makes it seem like a convenient thing to do)? Would that be a good idea on a warm summer day and would one want to accept liability for it? In my view, the built in charging capability adds little in convenience when using a battery with the capacity of a 18650, and what convenience it does add is not a reasonable trade-off if it doesn't perform its task correctly and safely. It's even worse if it enables/encourages use that could be unsafe.
5) Variable voltages. I'm dubious about their necessity in the first place, and would not accept the trade off in complexity, cost, and an additional points of failure for the dubious gains that this feature might provide.
6) Buck/boost regulators and resistor bridge networks - adds more unnecessary cost, complexity, and points of failure.
7) Cost benefit analysis. What's the additional cost going to be over more simpler designs (especially if simpler designs work just as well or better)?

In my view, design goals for application such as this should be to make the device as simple, effective, and robust/durable as possible. The design should be as safe as possible, perform well, be easy to use, be convenient and easy to carry around, require little to no maintenance, and minimize unnecessary cost/complexity. Remember the first goal in this endeavor is to provide a replacement solution for the simple act of smoking a cigarette. That suggests that the solution should endeavor to come as close as possible in simplicity and convenience as the thing that it is trying to replace. Aesthetics, is another issue and the value of which is in the eyes of the beholder. If one likes a design - say for it's artistic value or that it's a nice looking piece of woodwork - than that's a different matter.

Sorry for being a downer, but that was my honest initial reaction upon seeing this mod for the first time. Perhaps I missed something and could be enlightened on it benefits.
 
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Ace, I like the ivape best but ibeast is OK too, as far as T2 goes he has some validity in his post, However it also depends on how one cares for his mod, and some other pointers as well you could get hit by a car crossing the street to if your not careful, so how one takes care of there things matters. There are many of things I'm sure Shad0w has and is considering in building this Mod, he has already said he likes simple so that clears that up, as far as top feeding goes after putting some thought into this part of the Mod I can also see why Shad0w has gone this way, ( Taste ) it's well known that dripping on top of the bridge will give a better tasting vape then a bottom feed system, I'm sure shad0w has put much thought into this and will make a superb connection into a special mouth piece and probably use Derlin instead of a regular cart. When it comes to the cool features like his pump design, it has been talked about for quite some time now and many would like to have this feature, I know I do, as far as other hi tech instruments used in Shad0w's Mod, it all comes down to customer service, if I drop my mod, blow my pump or whatever goes wrong with this Mod which in time will happen the main question will be Shad0w's customer service plan, and this is the only unknown in my opinion that will matter. Shad0w may be planning on selling an extended warranty on his Mod which would cover anything that went wrong with it and the customer could choose upfront whether to purchase the ESP (extended service plan) or choose not to, and pay more at a later time for service, who knows what Shad0ws choice may be, as long as he has a customer service system in place to cover his customers is all I would care about personally and as long as he stands behind what he is putting out with great customer service then I'm in.

I have been waiting for this type of Mod of all Mods as I will call this to come to market for some time, I have 50 Mods and would like to buy and use one more that I can say is the best and carry only that mod, from everything I have seen as of now this ivape Mod as I call it, looks to me like it will have many if not all the features on it that one could want, Shad0w also looks like he is a very open minded person as well as an out of the box kind of thinker, the way he is putting this out for people to comment on to see what everybody is looking for and going with a number of Beta testers to try this new unit out, I would say by the time it is all through being tested and the final version comes to market that Shad0w will have a serious winner on his hands in my opinion and I'm sticking with him on this one I like it.!!!
 

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Let me elaborate a small bit, as there are MANY things that I am not presently at liberty to disclose:

T^2, it would seem that you have gone out of your way solely to list perceived faults.
Was there any positive feedback? based upon your statements it seems you have already decided this is not for you.
So I will kindly thank you for your opinions and wish you the best in your search for a mod that meets your ideals.


To the rest of you that have expressed interest:

Once this mod is in your hands, it is the beginning of our relationship.
I will always provide support and fully stand behind the 3DFS.

Know that my decision to go with DigitalCiggz.com
was mainly due to his impeccable customer service and his professional demeanor.

WE will be there for YOU.
 

mwa102464

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Good for you Shad0w I'm glad you went with a reputable supplier instead of some small new one, this is great, I look forward to having this baby in my hands, Santa clause is coming soon and it will be my Christmas gift to myself this year unless I'm a Beta of course then I can do my Job and review this Monster of a vaper box you have created.!!!
 

T^2

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Ace, I like the ivape best but ibeast is OK too, as far as T2 goes he has some validity in his post, However it also depends on how one cares for his mod, and some other pointers as well you could get hit by a car crossing the street to if your not careful, so how one takes care of there things matters. There are many of things I'm sure Shad0w has and is considering in building this Mod, he has already said he likes simple so that clears that up, as far as top feeding goes after putting some thought into this part of the Mod I can also see why Shad0w has gone this way, ( Taste ) it's well known that dripping on top of the bridge will give a better tasting vape then a bottom feed system, I'm sure shad0w has put much thought into this and will make a superb connection into a special mouth piece and probably use Derlin instead of a regular cart. When it comes to the cool features like his pump design, it has been talked about for quite some time now and many would like to have this feature, I know I do, as far as other hi tech instruments used in Shad0w's Mod, it all comes down to customer service, if I drop my mod, blow my pump or whatever goes wrong with this Mod which in time will happen the main question will be Shad0w's customer service plan, and this is the only unknown in my opinion that will matter. Shad0w may be planning on selling an extended warranty on his Mod which would cover anything that went wrong with it and the customer could choose upfront whether to purchase the ESP (extended service plan) or choose not to, and pay more at a later time for service, who knows what Shad0ws choice may be, as long as he has a customer service system in place to cover his customers is all I would care about personally and as long as he stands behind what he is putting out with great customer service then I'm in.

I have been waiting for this type of Mod of all Mods as I will call this to come to market for some time, I have 50 Mods and would like to buy and use one more that I can say is the best and carry only that mod, from everything I have seen as of now this ivape Mod as I call it, looks to me like it will have many if not all the features on it that one could want, Shad0w also looks like he is a very open minded person as well as an out of the box kind of thinker, the way he is putting this out for people to comment on to see what everybody is looking for and going with a number of Beta testers to try this new unit out, I would say by the time it is all through being tested and the final version comes to market that Shad0w will have a serious winner on his hands in my opinion and I'm sticking with him on this one I like it.!!!

This brings up other good points I should have made.

Add "Fragile" to the list.

When it comes to doing a good design, you want to minimize cost associated with servicing issues - warranty or otherwise - resulting from damage (due to fragility etc.) and component failures (re. complexity/unnecessary points of failure). I think this would especially be true for a custom made low volume unit. Again I refer back to cost benefit analysis of this design vs. simpler designs.

A custom mouth piece precludes the use of universally available parts. What if he goes out of business? Where will you get a replacement part? A mod like this suggest a considerable investment compared to other designs. That said, with the money it might cost, one would likely desire to get a reasonably issue free and long service life out of it. That would be hard to do if the need for replacement parts comes up and none are to be found.

That brings up another point. If I were going to drop a hefty dime on one of these units, I wouldn't want to have to be overly concerned about it's fragility or have to experience the inconvenience of sending it back in for repairs all the time (especially if it is to become my primary - or only - device).

This is the first time that I've heard about top feeding the bridge producing better taste than bottom feeding. I'll have to test that for myself.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to flame, but this is how I see it.
 

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Let me elaborate a small bit, as there are MANY things that I am not presently at liberty to disclose:

T^2, it would seem that you have gone out of your way solely to list perceived faults.
Was there any positive feedback? based upon your statements it seems you have already decided this is not for you.
So I will kindly thank you for your opinions and wish you the best in your search for a mod that meets your ideals.


To the rest of you that have expressed interest:

Once this mod is in your hands, it is the beginning of our relationship.
I will always provide support and fully stand behind the 3DFS.

Know that my decision to go with DigitalCiggz.com
was mainly due to his impeccable customer service and his professional demeanor.

WE will be there for YOU.

As I said in my first post - it looks like this mod performs well (solely in terms of vaping). There have been many other positive comments and expressed interest throughout the thread. It didn't see the need to reiterate what has already been said. I just felt there would be some value in pointing out other things for consideration.

If the designs has enough merit, it should stand regardless of points made to the contrary.
 
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mwa102464

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This brings up other good points I should have made.

Add "Fragile" to the list.

When it comes to doing a good design, you want to minimize cost associated with servicing issues - warranty or otherwise - resulting from damage (due to fragility etc.) and component failures (re. complexity/unnecessary points of failure). I think this would especially be true for a custom made low volume unit. Again I refer back to cost benefit analysis of this design vs. simpler designs.

Who says it's gonna be fragile ?

A custom mouth piece precludes the use of universally available parts. What if he goes out of business? Where will you get a replacement part? A mod like this suggest a considerable investment compared to other designs. That said, with the money it might cost, one would likely desire to get a reasonably issue free and long service life out of it. That would be hard to do if the need for replacement parts comes up and none are to be found.

A derlin drip tip with a hole in it, who knows but its not gonna be like searching for Gold in this market to find a mouthpiece for an Atty.!!!

That brings up another point. If I were going to drop a hefty dime on one of these units, I wouldn't want to have to be overly concerned about it's fragility or have to experience the inconvenience of sending it back in for repairs all the time (especially if it is to become my primary - or only - device).

Who says it will have to be sent in at all.???

This is the first time that I've heard about top feeding the bridge producing better taste than bottom feeding. I'll have to test that for myself.

Really hmm How many Mods have you owned ?

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to flame, but this is how I see it.
OK then do you have anything positive to say here about this new mod, just wondering, I would also like to know how many and what mods do you own.?
 

LowThudd

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Let me elaborate a small bit, as there are MANY things that I am not presently at liberty to disclose:

T^2, it would seem that you have gone out of your way solely to list perceived faults.
Was there any positive feedback? based upon your statements it seems you have already decided this is not for you.
So I will kindly thank you for your opinions and wish you the best in your search for a mod that meets your ideals.


To the rest of you that have expressed interest:

Once this mod is in your hands, it is the beginning of our relationship.
I will always provide support and fully stand behind the 3DFS.

Know that my decision to go with DigitalCiggz.com
was mainly due to his impeccable customer service and his professional demeanor.

WE will be there for YOU.

WORD...This mod is obviously not for amatuers. This is an advanced mod that requires a devotion to the perfect vape/per the particular juice chosen. Some juices like higher watts, some don't. I believe the nay-sayer is not understanding the physics involved in "the perfect vape". I believe the variable voltage and flow is ESENTIAL to more advanced vapers. I think it is a great idea, and I hope I am selected to test such a fine device(I'm only sucking up a little. LOL).
 
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