MVP Owners Group-into the next generation

[KTMRider]

I went from the mvp 2, which i loved, to provari which was.....great performer for kfun and taifun, but not much better than the mvp, then switched to my vsdna30 and mechs.
I.started dripping for the same reason, i DIY my juice. Found myself dripping mostly but i use an erlkonigin when out and about.
Not for clouds though im a flavor vapor so i normally vape betweem 22-28w. On the rare occasion that i want to.play fog machine i grab my mechs lol

I should sell my MVP2. I upgraded the connector with a VT 510 and I've only used it for about 2-3 months and it's just collecting dust now. Problem is I paid full retail at a b&m ($70) and it's seems silly to sell it for what it's worth (probably $30, if that).

I bought 3 Cloupor enclosures from Elev8vape and 2 of the 3 work fine so I've been using one of them for my dripper. They came up for sale again this afternoon so I ordered 3 more . They're fun little projects to work on and for $5 ea, they're cheap and it's almost fun gambling on getting a good one. I'll eventually throw a dna 40 in at least 2 of them. I only have 1 DNA 40 device but half my atomizers have Ni200 builds.

 

[Cotay]

There isn't enough of an "upgrade" to make me want the 20watt

after reading the Reddit article I was expecting a minimum 30 watts

and hoping for changes in the form factor, firing button and charging

port at the very least, so much so that I bought rba's rda's and coiling materials

in anticipation of being able to sample the experience of dual coil vaping

According to rumour it's going to be February until what we must now assume will be

v3 launches so it's looking like the ipv2 or mini will be my next purchase

To say I'm disappointed in the news of the 20 watt is like saying it's a bit nippy in the Antarctic

I really think Innokin have dropped the ball here

Agreed. I don't own an MVP 2.0, but I do own a VV 3.0. The announcement of the MVP 20W and VV 4 makes me feel like Innokin hasn't realized that the pace of ecig innovation is accelerating at breakneck speed. Product refresh cycles are decreasing and new product introduction is exploding. These products seem to be at least 6 months behind the current curve. As I look at Innokin's product offerings on their website, they just seem stale and uninspiring.

 

[garyoa1]

Yeah innovation is accelerating but for the average vaper... meh. A lot here are looking for massive power and huge clouds. For those just looking for good flavor and no nonsense vaping, Innokin is pretty much over kill. At a great price.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Yeah innovation is accelerating but for the average vaper... meh. A lot here are looking for massive power and huge clouds. For those just looking for good flavor and no nonsense vaping, Innokin is pretty much over kill. At a great price.

On that flavor note, the temp cotrol has got to be the smoothest most flavorful vape ive ever had. At any wattage. Would love to see the innokin/evolv partnership incorporate the temp control.

 

[Cotay]

Yeah innovation is accelerating but for the average vaper... meh. A lot here are looking for massive power and huge clouds. For those just looking for good flavor and no nonsense vaping, Innokin is pretty much over kill. At a great price.

I'm not really even talking about massive power or huge clouds. I'm talking about functionality, user interface and form factor. Even the average vaper cares about those things...and I don't see Innokin making much progress on any of those fronts. Maybe their alliance with Evolv will bring some of that, but I would hate to see Innokin take too long on that front. They offer a solidly built product...I just find it incredibly dull.

 

[garyoa1]

We'll have to agree to disagree. As far as simplicity, the easier you make it the more you lose out. The only way you can make it easier to use is to eliminate some features. There's a learning curve to everything. The vv3 gets beat out by the mvp. The mvp gets beat out by the svd. The svd2 is really simple to use IMO. Each juice, each tank needs to be adjusted. Sometimes even when a tank gets lower an adjustment is required. So to eliminate a lot of adjustments for simplicity cripples the mod IMO.

 

[PaulBHC]

There are millions of vapers in the world and a relative handful of people on these forums. Most people are going to walk into a vape shop and buy a cheap starter kit. Later they will look at all the other devices and ask questions of the shop. The MVP is a good device at a good price and easy to teach someone how to use. The average trying to quit smoking person just wants something that works and a battery that lasts all day. iStick may be a good choice but the MVP gives a better vape and less problems.

 

[Cotay]

There are millions of vapers in the world and a relative handful of people on these forums. Most people are going to walk into a vape shop and buy a cheap starter kit. Later they will look at all the other devices and ask questions of the shop. The MVP is a good device at a good price and easy to teach someone how to use. The average trying to quit smoking person just wants something that works and a battery that lasts all day. iStick may be a good choice but the MVP gives a better vape and less problems.

I'm not saying the MVP isn't a good device for vaping, it is. I like my VV 3.0 as well. I am sure they will sell a ton of MVP 20Ws and owners will be quite happy with them. My point is more about Innokin's overall strategy. History is riddled with companies that had a good product and commanded significant market share only to lose in the long run to more agile and innovative competitors. It has been more than a year since the MVP 2.0 was released and an incremental update now is a huge letdown. Personally, at the MVP 20W price point, I'd much rather have an IPV Mini. I wouldn't recommend the iStick to anyone in its current form...the vape on mine is terrible. Hopefully the rumors of an MVP 3 in February are true...I'd like to see Innokin hit that one out of the park!

 

[pufZeppelin]

I can’t believe how some people view the MVP
it is just a premium EGO battery (11w / 3.5A)
it has a huge capacity internal battery @ 2600 mah
it is easy, simple to use and has been lights out dependable
and it costs about $38 dollars…
- - -
now Innokin has stepped it up slightly, 20w and sounds like
they improved the topper connection
I’ve already seen a price of $59, think it will come down ?
it’s a ‘feature rich” device that falls right into the most popular majority
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if I put together all I’ve read from peeps, this is what I’d get :
•6000 mah
•200 watts / temp control
•size of a BIC lighter
•10 year warranty
•$19.99



you get what ya pay for, in this case, it’s more than what ya pay for JMO

 

[pufZeppelin]

ever think what might become the new “VTR”
DNA 40-50 ? replaceable 26650 (dual)

don’t like box’y, what about the “134”

I think Innokin has a plan
and starting out in the beefiest part of the market (MVP)
is where this phase is beginning…

• Innokin – the next generation •
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[garyoa1]

Yeah. If you create a "wildly" popular item you don't want to turn an update into something the wildly popular item isn't! Kinda have to tread carefully. But there are "supposedly" two MVP's coming. At two different price points. So there may be a wildly different one coming down the pike. Only time will tell.

 

[PaulBHC]

I think they could have told us that the update to the 2.0 was going to be the 510 connector and 20w and named the MVP20w and priced it the same and we would have been happy. Then told us a 3.0 was coming at a higher price with more stuff. Maybe even replacing the VTR.

 

[JimmyDB]

IMHO...

The MVP2 was a game changer for the wife and myself... mainly because of features @ price point (and we were beginners ). I'm C H E A P (most of the time). A major feature for me, even if I don't use it very much, is the 5V/USB output connector. The fact that it was a bit smaller compared to a Hana(type) box was another benefit.

Let's get real here... it is a sub-$100 box device, even at full retail from a B&M, with internal (isolated) batteries... VV and VW. Half that price (for in-stock and ready to ship) if you shop around online. It's basically the 'every-man' box mod.

Sure, there are things about the MVP2 that I would like to see changed... with me, there always will be. I haven't seen a device yet that had an internal flash drive... may not be important to 99.99% of the market... but it's a differentiator to me... and not really one that I would use, but having the capability already built in is a decision factor.

Innokin is not a leader when it comes to vape gear... that's fine with me, I don't expect them to be. I'll wait for an official feature list and price for their new releases and make a decision at that point. Chances are, I won't be buying an MVP3/MVP20W for myself, but I'll probably be buying 1+ as gifts for others.

I would like temp control, but I want proper TITANIUM based temp control. I want full control over the output profile, not just wattage... with or without boost. I want wireless interconnectivity and proper API documentation. I understand these are things few want... for the masses though, VIVA LA MVP!

 

[Cotay]

Yeah. If you create a "wildly" popular item you don't want to turn an update into something the wildly popular item isn't! Kinda have to tread carefully. But there are "supposedly" two MVP's coming. At two different price points. So there may be a wildly different one coming down the pike. Only time will tell.

I understand the sentiment, but nobody was asking for a wildly different MPV. An OLED screen and more pocketable form factor wouldn't have taken away from its inherent "MPV'ness". This release smells more like a "we need to get something out there now" launch. You can tread so carefully that you miss the boat. I'm not saying this one release spells the doom of Innokin, that would be stupid. But when expectations are high for your follow up and you've made public statements about functionality and features, to release a product that doesn't live up to those "promises" without explaining why is a misstep.

 

[pufZeppelin]

well you think of marketing
sure many manufacturers are looking at what Innokin is doing

my take is MVP is the beefy part of vaping

the VTR is where they get bold

internal , vs replaceable batteries
high power, vs low power
cutting edge, compared to moderation

also think Innokin knows what they created with the MVP

they like it, we like and they are just gonna polish it and move on

I always said I hope they don't change it drastically because I like what it is now

another style similar to the original is fine, just leave the basic formula

JMO

 

[JimmyDB]

I think they could have told us that the update to the 2.0 was going to be the 510 connector and 20w and named the MVP20w and priced it the same and we would have been happy. Then told us a 3.0 was coming at a higher price with more stuff. Maybe even replacing the VTR.

Off-topic: Paul, I like you more by the day you salty dog! <-- I mean that in the best kind of way

 

[garyoa1]

If I'm not mistaken the new one does have an OLED screen.

 

[Cotay]

well you think of marketing
sure many manufacturers are looking at what Innokin is doing

my take is MVP is the beefy part of vaping

the VTR is where they get bold

internal , vs replaceable batteries
high power, vs low power
cutting edge, compared to moderation

also think Innokin knows what they created with the MVP

they like it, we like and they are just gonna polish it and move on

I always said I hope they don't change it drastically because I like what it is now

another style similar to the original is fine, just leave the basic formula

JMO

I'm glad you love the MVP and that it gives you exactly what you want in vaping...that is the point of all of this anyway.

 

[lucky_x16]

I personally love my MVP 2.0s.
That said, if they upgrade to a 20 watt, I will be in line to purchase one.
Why? Because I want a couple more watts to play with. I have found that with my Vamo V5, at 12-14 watts, I get more vapor, and more flavor, yet at 15 watts, it starts to taste scorched in my humble opinion.
I am not seeing the benefits of 9,000,000 watts at 600volts.
If Innoken can add another 9 watts and incorporate a 3400mah battery, I will be in hog heaven.
I keep coming back to my MVPs because they have tons of battery life, and always make my tanks do what I need them to do, when I need them to do it.
Currently I run at 4volts and 11 watts, and it is just hitting where I like it.
Will it compare to the bigger box mods?
I hope it never loses sight of those of us that are quite happy with mediocre powered VV/VW mods.

 

[PaulBHC]

I understand the sentiment, but nobody was asking for a wildly different MPV. An OLED screen and more pocketable form factor wouldn't have taken away from its inherent "MPV'ness".

I thought OLED screens were a problem if they get wet?

I have old fart eyesight and the MVP screen is tough, bright and easy to read whether dodging snowbirds or sitting at my desk in light or dark. I have a Zmax and it is tough to see sometimes.