Chronic irritation? If you work with hammer for 3 min you irritate some places on your skin without even feeling it. If you work with hammer for 3 hours you'll get blisters.
Nicotine less addictive via vaping then smoking?
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Damn Steve, come on, you can't be serious?
You might be the only person on the whole forum who doesn't see the propaganda machine.
I think a very large percentage of the smokers on earth know about at least some of the propaganda.
I've posted this before and directly challenged you to read it...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
If I recall, you stopped reading when you saw the word "Nazis" in the text.
I just don't see any of these propaganda sources. Are they real, or imagined?...
I don't watch or read US news. This propaganda exists on the internet? I haven't seen it, but I don't seek it out...
That's an interesting point, but quite a different kind of irritation.
That's a pressure irritation.
I don't know exactly what kind of irritation PG presents.
I will have to admit that I might want to give it some thought though.
I'm still in the "NO" camp for now.
Whenever someone walks by a smoker and does a fake cough.
Whenever you read a Quit Smoking website.
Whenever they ban smoking at parks and on government property.
Whenever they ban smoking on entire University campuses and Hospital campuses.
Whenever they ban smoking in your own home, when adjoined to another.
There you will find the result of the propaganda.
It's claws are already buried deep.
I think he is just saying that a habit that consumes the mind to the point where its the first thing you think of before you go anywhere, are thinking about it constantly, take multiple extras just in case, and try to use it even in situations/places where it is difficult or could have negative consequences, is the definition of an addiction/dependency.
Oh, ok. I really don't let such things bother me, or affect how I make decisions...
But isn't that because you're planning to leave the country as soon as you can?
Hey, nothing wrong with that. I might join you.
How is Prague in the winter?
I think a Little of Both for the Average Vaper.
But I think a Small Fringe Percentage sees ANTZ around Corner. And Hiding under Every Bed.
But isn't that because you're planning to leave the country as soon as you can?
Hey, nothing wrong with that. I might join you.
How is Prague in the winter?
I gave up on the news before exodus was in motion...
Prague is lovely in winter. Very temperate compared to the snow belt in Cleveland. It may snow an inch or 2 all winter. Christmastime last year I just wore long pants and a long sleeve shirt out and about in the daytime, as it was in the 40's
The marriage papers have been submitted...
That post must have been deleted. Care to explain it again?
Personally, I think all of you have made good points and I can understand the side of all of them. As to which view is the most logical or accurate, well, that is of course debatable and so this thread continues ..... Personally, I think that decreasing the intake of things into your body is less of a risk, even though many claim that the substance is not known to be harmful... Lots of substances were tested for ions and all of the side effects and health risks were "thought" to be known only to find out years later that some of these substances are indeed very dangerous to certain people. So, I would say it is wiser to err on the side of caution. It matters little to me if it is called "harm reduction" or some other term..... For those of you who view the term "harm reduction" as inappropriate or not accurate, I also understand your views as well. But, personally I am not hung up on whatever term you desire to use just so long as I know what you are talking about.
..... Personally, I think that decreasing the intake of things into your body is less of a risk, even though many claim that the substance is not known to be harmful... Lots of substances were tested for ions and all of the side effects and health risks were "thought" to be known only to find out years later that some of these substances are indeed very dangerous to certain people. So, I would say it is wiser to err on the side of caution. It matters little to me if it is called "harm reduction" or some other term..... For those of you who view the term "harm reduction" as inappropriate or not accurate, I also understand your views as well. But, personally I am not hung up on whatever term you desire to use just so long as I know what you are talking about.
Yeah, I guess it's hard to delete a post that isn't there.
Our adversaries are masters at the art of semantics. That's what much of propaganda is all about. And why they are winning. When you say "Vaping is harm reduction" you are doing their work for them. You are acknowledging that there *IS* harm. Even though there is no evidence of it whatsoever. Regardless of your intent. And when I say "you" I'm talking about the multitudes here that do the same thing, repeating it endlessly.
Honestly, we are our own worst enemies.
Personally, I think all of you have made good points and I can understand the side of all of them. As to which view is the most logical or accurate, well, that is of course debatable and so this thread continues
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It matters little to me if it is called "harm reduction" or some other term.....
It is clear from the above that you missed my point entirely. What you or I, or zioDman, or anyone else thinks, individually is meaningless. However, what we say here collectively, as a group, and how we all respond to what we say here, as a group, and reinforce each other's thinking is what matters, and where the propaganda aspect lies. I'm just sorry I failed to get my point across.
I put emphasis on the idea of us reinforcing each other's thinking, because that is what we are doing here, in this case convincing each other, very subtly, that there must be some harm because we are only reducing it. Words matter. A lot. It is far more than semantics.
The average guy on the street interprets "harm reduction" exactly as I suggest- if the harm is "only reduced" then there is harm remaining, and it is stated as a fact. It is what the average guy on the street, collectively, thinks, that is important and is the target of propaganda.
When you hear someone say "those things are worse than cigarettes", you know it's BS. What you are not considering is when even the masses of the truly devout - us - can only assess vaping as "harm reduction " it has the subtle effect of reinforcing it. And the average guy on the street doesn't have to come here and read that for it to have an effect. That is the power of propagandizing the masses.
No one directly addressed the question I put forth previously: why is so little thought is put into all the other products we interact with, some of which some day will be proven to be harmful, and so much of our time focused on one product? Why are you not decreasing your intake of other potentially hazardous substances that "haven't been studied enough" (as if anything has met the burden of proof vaping is held to by the propagandists). If it is not because of the propaganda that so severely affects even us, then why? No one has tried to answer that.
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