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Agree. If we pour a bucket into the river, it will surely increase the flow of the waterfall downstream - but is it significant?
My real problem with the present approach is that we are spending money and all kinds of costs in trying to reverse the very real warming trend. To the extent that global warming is anthropogenic, there isn't a whole lot we can do (in my opinion). We might better applying ourselves to coping with the changes I believe are now inevitable.
Thanks David. That is a classic misunderstanding. If you take your cat in for a LINE cut to get it ready for summer, make darn sure they don't think you meant LION cut.
I believe whatever we do, collectively or individually, matters .. I just don't believe other Countries are all going to sign up .. as they believe they have the right to do as they please to improve their economic situation thru the lack of control .. it's cheaper to be uncaring than it is to do the right thing, IOW .. and who's to stop them .. ??
I'm certainly not the Climate Change Debate Guy .. however, from the actual evidence in real life that is well documented, something is happening .. exactly what the cause is, I'm still uncertain but I feel Humans carry some blame ..
Or that discarded used Pamper in the Walmart Parking Lot .. well, those might be biodegradable for all I know ..
Some who once questioned any association between human activity and climate change are now saying that there must be at least some association.
Now all we need to do is to not get all hung up on establishing an exact percentage.
The somewhat cleaner rivers and somewhat reduced smog are due primarily to organized efforts made without establishing some division of responsibility to decide what could and what could not be successfully addressed by humans.
Now all we need to do is to not get all hung up on establishing an exact percentage.
The somewhat cleaner rivers and somewhat reduced smog are due primarily to organized efforts made without establishing some division of responsibility to decide what could and what could not be successfully addressed by humans.
Somewhat like the debate on nature vs nurture in intellectual development. We know that there is a relationship between nurture and IQ, so lets focus on what we can change. Like the serenity prayer.
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Natural or man made? Likely a little of both but not so sure man made is a major factor.
Years ago a study said that if you parked every car on the planet you'd cut CO2 gases by less than 1%. That leaves 99% coming due to nature.
That in mind, if you take all other types of pollution into consideration, I'd say it would be a real stretch to hit even 5% man made. So would cutting our "infection" out solve the problem? IMHO, highly unlikely.
Not saying we shouldn't bother. On the contrary. But seems to me the only ones gaining from it would be those pushing the (really overkill) "green save the planet" foks. IOW... there's a lot of money at stake for them.
Years ago a study said that if you parked every car on the planet you'd cut CO2 gases by less than 1%. That leaves 99% coming due to nature.
That in mind, if you take all other types of pollution into consideration, I'd say it would be a real stretch to hit even 5% man made. So would cutting our "infection" out solve the problem? IMHO, highly unlikely.
Not saying we shouldn't bother. On the contrary. But seems to me the only ones gaining from it would be those pushing the (really overkill) "green save the planet" foks. IOW... there's a lot of money at stake for them.
Would like to see that study. The assumption that cars constitute the largest human contributor to CO2 emissions is totally inaccurate to begin with, and the assumption that all the rest of CO2 emissions come from nature compounds that inaccuracy hugely. Here is actual information:
Sources | Climate Change | US EPA
The assumption that the only people pushing for green action are those who will make money from it is not sound reasoning either. T Boone Pickens maybe but who else?
That's what I meant, garyoa. Of course, there are major health problems associated with exhaust from autos, powerplants, and other industrial pollutants, but like you, I doubt they have that much influence on global warming.
Take the PPM produced by autos, factor in the volume of atmosphere in comparison....then consider winds at ground level and winds aloft. The scrubbing effect of clouds and rain. The concentration of hydrocarbons produced becomes negligible almost instantly. Most of what comprises "smog" is airborne particulates of a much larger molecular size, such as dust.
Matt, looks like I'll lose my VA vs FL Erika/Xerika rainfall bet!
As far as CC/GHG, been doing my lil' bit by not smoking and not asking anyone to pull my finger! Having troubles in dropping electricity, transportation, food and internet shopping though...
As far as CC/GHG, been doing my lil' bit by not smoking and not asking anyone to pull my finger! Having troubles in dropping electricity, transportation, food and internet shopping though...
I have the carbon footprint of Luxembourg.Matt, looks like I'll lose my VA vs FL Erika/Xerika rainfall bet!
As far as CC/GHG, been doing my lil' bit by not smoking and not asking anyone to pull my finger! Having troubles in dropping electricity, transportation, food and internet shopping though...
That's exactly what needs to happen though. We have been going to the negotiating table however and giving up a disproportionate number of concessions hoping that the folks we are negotiating with care as much as we do. Unfortunately they don't seem to as evidenced by the failure of thousands of casualties to effect their thinking. The "have nots" never care as much as the "haves". Personally I think the good old US of A has given as much as we need to and it's time for our partners on the planet step up to the plate. It has to be even handed and worldwide to work and to prevent economic harm to some of the players. This clean living ain't cheap.
I've found this discussion and the civility of it so interesting that I completely forgot to hit the "like" button on the posts and had to go back and do it. I hit "like" pretty much to indicate I have read said post. Doesn't mean I don't like the post, I surely do like 90% of them and tend to comment on those that hit either end of the spectrum.
Hahahahaha! Yep, that's pretty much the lion cut except our cat had a mane and less hair on the feet. Her tail just had a fluffy tip. But yep, that's what her body looked like! She slinked around the house from one hiding place to another for a few hours when we got her home. Then she figured out she had a lot less work to do to clean herself and ended up walking around like she owned the place, which she pretty much did. I'm glad we weren't there to see them doing the shaving! With this haircut she just loved jumping on our laps to get a good rub down and she purred like crazy!
Yeah, that cat is, probably due to the coloring on it's face. Shelby did not look angry at all. She really looked cute. She did look pitiful when she had mats though. And my face was happy due to the lack of shedding!!
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