Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

[bigbells]

The thing that's not easily doable regarding the quoting of posts is to quote a quote that was quoted by the person you're quoting.

That's due to the way this particular forum is set up. In some forums, when you quote a post that has quoted another post, you'll capture the whole thing. In this forum, though, everything is stripped except for the words of the particular person whose post you're quoting.

I hope that's clearer than mud but it might not be.

 

[Doughboy67]

Hi all!

My goodness, so much has transpired since I was here last night!

Got a quick question....you experienced people seem to have an unlimited supply of links for things, anyone have a link to a video for rebuilding ProTank coils?

And just what is the difference between regular coils and micro coils and when and why would you use one over the other?

I'm looking to start rebuilding, but there is so much to learn first.

Here's a thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ave-organic-cotton-yarn-30-gauge-kanthal.html

On youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHLJ92Lvx8

 

[MikeE3]

Just curious.... Why do people who rebuild use cotton, yarn, gauze, etc. instead of a piece of silica wick?
Question 2: Which gauge of wire to start with if you're going to learn rebuilding?
My coil of choice at the moment are the Kanger single coil bottom units, 2.5 ohm. I don't use a dripping atomizer, but it's been recommended to me to get an Igo-L to learn on. They're not expensive so will prob order one soon.

I have a Vamo V2 on order from Fast tech but my current setup is two MVP2s with protank mini & Evods, and other assorted clearos. This is working fine for me, but...like so many, I am wanting to expand my knowledge and my "stash" of gear....just in case.

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My answer might be repeating 'stuff' - but here goes. There was a silica 'scare' that moved people to search for 'safer' wicking material. The scare was pretty much unfounded - but it did bring about alternative like cotton yarn, cotton balls/roll, bamboo yarn and even hemp. They're those that love cotton and some say it tastes like dirty socks, there's those that love hemp and some say it tastes like burning rope. Like a lot in the vaping arena - it comes down to what 'you' like.

32g kanthal is a bit easier for beginners to work with, but I think 30g is a more versatile gauge for both clearo type toppers and rebuildables. Stay away from 28g even though it is quite popular until you get some experience.

I don't know if I'm a expert but I never get dry hits on mine. I guess your wick is blocking up juice channel. What set up are you using? I only use 28 or 26 kanthal with a micro coil and organic cotton ball wick. I build my coil to 1.3 to 1.7 ohms on a 5/64 drill bit. I use just enough cotton to get the cotton to the base of my kayfun build block. That is about a inch or so. Then juice it without the chimney on and press it to the build block. It kind of looks like a broom on both sides when I'm done. I would put up pictures but my camera take too high res and the pics sizes are too big for forums. I am tech challenged in this department. Give the kayfun a test fire after you install chamber tube but before chimney stack is on. Rejuice coil with a drop or 2. Reassemble kayfun or russian fill and enjoy.

One last thing is you my be filling it too high. You can't fill them to the top. They both require a little air for negitive pressure to work correctly.

You could look at some picture hosting sites like imageshack or photobucket. You can upload your full size pic's and resize them. Then just link to the pictures like most people do who post pictures.

Hi everybody, I found the Back Porch a few days ago. I was welcomed like family (maybe better...?) and subscribed. Well I've been trying to read this thread from the beginning for a couple of days now. Got to about page 90, and realized I had read these before when I first found the ECF. So I skipped ahead a few pages and then a few more...... totally missing conversations....I'm going to have to go back and start at 90. But there 254 pages now. Figure I'd go ahead and introduce myself to y'all good folks here on the Front Porch first.

So glad Tx and others decided to build this wonderful "virtual" Porch, and to invite the whole family over!!

Nice - you made it through the back door, through the house and joined us on the front porch. Welcome again.

Welcome. Love your name. I just followed another member over here, curious about the state of her undelivered ProVari. I might stick around, though I think 33 is a little young to be considered an "older folk."

hey come on now - you're just like the rest of us here on the porch. You're a day older today than yesterday. No one's checking age here.

Lookie lookie Classwife got the sig working!

Guys this is the lovely person that did the Avatar and sig for me. Isn't it fantastic work?

Wow! What a nice lady, she did a good job w/ the avi and banner.

 

[Myrany]

Hi all!

My goodness, so much has transpired since I was here last night!

Got a quick question....you experienced people seem to have an unlimited supply of links for things, anyone have a link to a video for rebuilding ProTank coils?

And just what is the difference between regular coils and micro coils and when and why would you use one over the other?

I'm looking to start rebuilding, but there is so much to learn first.

The build is identical to this one
Mini Protank Micro Coil Rebuild - YouTube

 

[Myrany]

Wow! What a nice lady, she did a good job w/ the avi and banner.

Wooops guess I wasn't CLear.

Classy got it working but PlanofMan did the graphics for me

 

[Legolas]

There's a member here, Kurt, that's a chemist. He has done some of his own experiments between PG and VG. He said that he found the VG actually stored better in his freezer, but that there wasn't too much of a difference between the two. I was surprised to see his results is why I remember it. I can't find the post now, but here's a link to his 'latest posts' http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=22718665.

My pg and vg both have a use by date but I haven,t placed them in my freezer. I am only worried about my nic. They can't restrict vg or pg ... can they? On my use by dates they were within one month of each other.

 

[williegntx]

Thanks for the suggestions, cclean and Malwarebytes. Couldn't believe how much better 'puter is running now. Sure makes for a few less puffs on the Vamo now. It was about to make me nic sic.

Welcome to the late arrivals to the porch.
Exactly what we need here...more folks to share their knowledge! We need as many as we can get over here.

 

[Myrany]

Thanks for the suggestions, cclean and Malwarebytes. Couldn't believe how much better 'puter is running now. Sure makes for a few less puffs on the Vamo now. It was about to make me nic sic.

Welcome to the late arrivals to the porch.
Exactly what we need here...more folks to share their knowledge! We need as many as we can get over here.

I am so very glad those programs helped. I find they take care of most of my computer issues.

 

[ncpatches]

I have the videos linked, thank you!

My question about reg vs micro coils....when and why and what is the difference?

Links will do for answer! I don't mind if you don't want to type out a long explanation.

 

[Myrany]

I have the videos linked, thank you!

My question about reg vs micro coils....when and why and what is the difference?

Links will do for answer! I don't mind if you don't want to type out a long explanation.

THis is pure opinion so take with as many grains of salt as you like.

I run Micro coils with cotton wicking.

I find the vapor production is better with the micro for me and it is much easier for me to replace the cotton when changing flavors or after a coil cleaning burn without distorting the coil with the micro coil.

When using cotton you cannot use a traditional dry burn or the cotton will burn up. You have to yank out the cotton then dry burn just the coil, then thread new cotton in. A micro coil is a bit more durable and less likely to get pulled out of shape doing that.

 

[Legolas]

Thanks for the suggestions, cclean and Malwarebytes. Couldn't believe how much better 'puter is running now. Sure makes for a few less puffs on the Vamo now. It was about to make me nic sic.

Welcome to the late arrivals to the porch.
Exactly what we need here...more folks to share their knowledge! We need as many as we can get over here.

Malwarebytes is a great program you can also run spybot search and destroy it is also free for home users like the above programs
http://download.cnet.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022_4-10122137.html

 

[garyoa1]

Kind of off the current topic but here's an interesting look at e-cigs from a doctor's (of pshycology) viewpoint.

Electronic cigarettes: What we know so far - YouTube

 

[mmsjs5]

My pg and vg both have a use by date but I haven,t placed them in my freezer. I am only worried about my nic. They can't restrict vg or pg ... can they? On my use by dates they were within one month of each other.

I'm sorry, I should have said nic in PG and nic in VG. Kurt prefers nic in VG and it turned out to be the freezer winner by a smidge.

If you meant unmixed PG/VG, in the post I responded to, I only have my experience on that. I haven't read anything about anyone having it go bad. I don't freeze PG or VG when it is unmixed, I keep mine in a dark place until I'm ready to use it. I've not had either go bad yet. Several here buy it by the gallon.

 

[Legolas]

THis is pure opinion so take with as many grains of salt as you like.

I run Micro coils with cotton wicking.

I find the vapor production is better with the micro for me and it is much easier for me to replace the cotton when changing flavors or after a coil cleaning burn without distorting the coil with the micro coil.

When using cotton you cannot use a traditional dry burn or the cotton will burn up. You have to yank out the cotton then dry burn just the coil, then thread new cotton in. A micro coil is a bit more durable and less likely to get pulled out of shape doing that.

Well put

 

[Legolas]

I'm sorry, I should have said nic in PG and nic in VG. Kurt prefers nic in VG and it turned out to be the freezer winner by a smidge.

If you meant unmixed PG/VG, in the post I responded to, I only have my experience on that. I haven't read anything about anyone having it go bad. I don't freeze PG or VG when it is unmixed, I keep mine in a dark place until I'm ready to use it. I've not had either go bad yet. Several here buy it by the gallon.

I'm a quart buyer but if things turn for the worst larger quantities will be in my future. I'm listening to hear the answer.

 

[Iffy]

Iffy dear you still owe us a Sophia report

I owe myself a Sophia test. I purchased a decent tank for da Sophia at da Tampa Vaping Convention and haven't even unpacked it yet!


OK, I consider this LINK for Kurt (our ECF resident nic 'expert'), the best post that should alleviate most nic/VG base storage concerns.

BTW, Kurt is da-go-to guy for your specific nic questions/concerns! Keep in mind that he is a busy chemist.

 

[ncpatches]

THis is pure opinion so take with as many grains of salt as you like.

I run Micro coils with cotton wicking.

I find the vapor production is better with the micro for me and it is much easier for me to replace the cotton when changing flavors or after a coil cleaning burn without distorting the coil with the micro coil.

When using cotton you cannot use a traditional dry burn or the cotton will burn up. You have to yank out the cotton then dry burn just the coil, then thread new cotton in. A micro coil is a bit more durable and less likely to get pulled out of shape doing that.

The part I'm not understanding, is what makes a coil a micro? Do you only use cotton with a micro? Not with a reg coil?

I've seen different videos that say "do not let the coils touch each other" then another one that has him squeezing the coil together and torching to make them stick together. Why is that? Is one a micro and the other one not? Is the touching what makes the difference?

I'm trying to figure out WHY I would WANT to make a micro or not. I understand the idea of rebuilding and don't think I'll have any problem doing so. It's the reg/micro differences I don't understand. And the WHY or WHY NOT.

 

[Myrany]

Micro is the diameter of the coil and the loops ARE touching. The idea is more wraps touching gives more contact with the wicking which gives more contact with the juice which gives more vapor. At least that is how I understand it.

The other 2 videos are probably traditional coils probably with silica. Those do not touch.

Edit: Both work fine. I just personally prefer the micro for ease of setup, ease of use, flavor and vapor production. That is a preference not a rule. Try both and see what you like.

 

[deborahbeaman]

There's a member here, Kurt, that's a chemist. He has done some of his own experiments between PG and VG. He said that he found the VG actually stored better in his freezer, but that there wasn't too much of a difference between the two. I was surprised to see his results is why I remember it. I can't find the post now, but here's a link to his 'latest posts' http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=22718665.

Well, it won't take me anywhere when I click on this link, maybe not enough posts or something?

 

[Legolas]

The part I'm not understanding, is what makes a coil a micro? Do you only use cotton with a micro? Not with a reg coil?

I've seen different videos that say "do not let the coils touch each other" then another one that has him squeezing the coil together and torching to make them stick together. Why is that? Is one a micro and the other one not? Is the touching what makes the difference?

I'm trying to figure out WHY I would WANT to make a micro or not. I understand the idea of rebuilding and don't think I'll have any problem doing so. It's the reg/micro differences I don't understand. And the WHY or WHY NOT.

Micro coils heat from the inside out and this gives it a more even distribution over the air channel producing a better vape. this is the short version