Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

[ncpatches]

Micro is the diameter of the coil and the loops ARE touching. The idea is more wraps touching gives more contact with the wicking which gives more contact with the juice which gives more vapor. At least that is how I understand it.

The other 2 videos are probably traditional coils probably with silica. Those do not touch.

Edit: Both work fine. I just personally prefer the micro for ease of setup, ease of use, flavor and vapor production. That is a preference not a rule. Try both and see what you like.

Thank you Mirany, that helps. I wasn't understanding the difference in the 2. I wondered if you HAD to use a reg coil for Xtopper but only a micro for XXtopper, ya know? Is there any that require a specific coil or can you use either reg or micro in anything?

In 1 video, it said if the coils touch it will cause hot spots. I'm guessing that is only if it touches in 1 spot and if they are all touching, pressed together, that's not the case, like it's a giant hot spot.

Because I prefer a cooler vape, would I probably use a reg coil as opposed to a micro? Is the micro warmer? I have 2.2ohm heads in all my glassos, I don't like the warmth of 1.8, so it would seem to me if the micros are warmer, it might not be a good idea for me. Or does it only get warmer with the lower ohms and not the coil build?

I'm sorry I'm asking so many questions, I really want to figure this out.

 

[BacsiBob]

I find myself walking around in circles, wondering where I'm going... then it occurs to me, ah, a cigarette, but no, this stainless steel thing instead... but I feel so aimless sometimes, if it's not too cold out I go ahead and go vape out there.

I still have that open pack of smokes sitting on the bookshelf by the front door, it's got 12 cigarettes in it. I don't want to smoke them, but I'm afraid if I toss them or give them away, true panic will set in. They say the most effective way to quit smoking is just, do it. I think it's that human will element. To me, what keeps me from smoking them is that I choose not to (and I have this other thing which I actually do like better!) -- got sober with a 12 pack of beer in the fridge too, and it was a comfort just knowing it was there, thiough I was so sick, there was no way I could or would drink it. the only thing I could do then was drink ice-cold V8 juice, which somehow comforted me. Go figger!

Andria

I'm still trying to catch up but this caught my eye. Andria, when I got sober (8/27/79), my sponsor said: "You're head is broken, don't use it!!" When I started vaping, I kept my cigarettes in the shop in a drawer in a tool box. I allowed myself to smoke whenever I wanted to but I had to make the trip out to the shop. The first few days it was 1/2 pack, down from 1.5 ppd. WOW.

Over a very short period of time, which included learning a lot here, I was actually going to the shop for other reasons and not smoking a cigarette. WOW. I gave the last 1/2 pack to my wife who complained that they were stale.

I think you are well on your way to letting the stinkies go. The persistence you showed with your bad connection is proof enough.

 

[Myrany]

Thank you Mirany, that helps. I wasn't understanding the difference in the 2. I wondered if you HAD to use a reg coil for Xtopper but only a micro for XXtopper, ya know? Is there any that require a specific coil or can you use either reg or micro in anything?

In 1 video, it said if the coils touch it will cause hot spots. I'm guessing that is only if it touches in 1 spot and if they are all touching, pressed together, that's not the case, like it's a giant hot spot.

Because I prefer a cooler vape, would I probably use a reg coil as opposed to a micro? Is the micro warmer? I have 2.2ohm heads in all my glassos, I don't like the warmth of 1.8, so it would seem to me if the micros are warmer, it might not be a good idea for me. Or does it only get warmer with the lower ohms and not the coil build?

I'm sorry I'm asking so many questions, I really want to figure this out.

hmmm I don't know that it makes a difference temperature wise. You will want to build a coil in the ohm range you prefer of course. What you are shooting for is EVEN heating of the coil in either build. If it only partially touches it will not be even.

Seriously try both and run with whichever you prefer.

EDIT: I use pretty much the same coil in all my builds. The diver is the exception as I have yet to make it not leak with cotton.

 

[deborahbeaman]

I owe myself a Sophia test. I purchased a decent tank for da Sophia at da Tampa Vaping Convention and haven't even unpacked it yet!


OK, I consider this LINK for Kurt (our ECF resident nic 'expert'), the best post that should alleviate most nic/VG base storage concerns.

BTW, Kurt is da-go-to guy for your specific nic questions/concerns! Keep in mind that he is a busy chemist.

YAY!!! That link worked , you guys are the best evah

 

[Legolas]

Thank you Mirany, that helps. I wasn't understanding the difference in the 2. I wondered if you HAD to use a reg coil for Xtopper but only a micro for XXtopper, ya know? Is there any that require a specific coil or can you use either reg or micro in anything?

In 1 video, it said if the coils touch it will cause hot spots. I'm guessing that is only if it touches in 1 spot and if they are all touching, pressed together, that's not the case, like it's a giant hot spot.

Because I prefer a cooler vape, would I probably use a reg coil as opposed to a micro? Is the micro warmer? I have 2.2ohm heads in all my glassos, I don't like the warmth of 1.8, so it would seem to me if the micros are warmer, it might not be a good idea for me. Or does it only get warmer with the lower ohms and not the coil build?

I'm sorry I'm asking so many questions, I really want to figure this out.

Don't be sorry about asking good questions, if your not sure you should ask. Micro coil are easier to deal with in the aspect of hot spots. Basically the whole coil is a hot spot. If you have already coiled something you may find this method easier. They are more rugged and tons easier to rewick. No tinkering with trying to push coils apart to remove hot spots. The fact they make better vapor is just a added bonus.

 

[williegntx]

Not sure if this will help with your question patches, but...Micro or regular coil is a preference. With the regular coils, if the coils touch they don't heat as evenly and they may short out resulting in a lower resistance or a very small area for heating the juice, less flavor, less vapor, etc.

IMO, micro coils are much easier to work with and last much longer than regular coils. You may notice that when making micro coils they use a torch to heat the wire while squeezed together, but you can and I do on occasion squeeze the coils together and heat them in a MOD and squeeze them while they are still hot. That will get them 'connected' just as well, without the need for a torch.

You can drive your self crazy (if your not within walking distance ) with different coil builds, but you never know you may find a different coil configuration you like better. I'm kind of stuck on micros.

Side note: Like Myranny said with her post...take with salt for your taste. Thanks for the one that posted the 'no one can drive me crazy'...

Anyone, please feel free to correct me.

 

[Legolas]

Not sure if this will help with your question patches, but...Micro or regular coil is a preference. With the regular coils, if the coils touch they don't heat as evenly and they may short out resulting in a lower resistance or a very small area for heating the juice, less flavor, less vapor, etc.

IMO, micro coils are much easier to work with and last much longer than regular coils. You may notice that when making micro coils they use a torch to heat the wire while squeezed together, but you can and I do on occasion squeeze the coils together and heat them in a MOD and squeeze them while they are still hot. That will get them 'connected' just as well, without the need for a torch.

You can drive your self crazy (if your not within walking distance ) with different coil builds, but you never know you may find a different coil configuration you like better. I'm kind of stuck on micros.

Side note: Like Myranny said with her post...take with salt for your taste. Thanks for the one that posted the 'no one can drive me crazy'...

Anyone, please feel free to correct me.

Also well put

 

[1wildman]

I have the videos linked, thank you!

My question about reg vs micro coils....when and why and what is the difference?

Links will do for answer! I don't mind if you don't want to type out a long explanation.

Micro coils are the only way to go. It is a micro coil because it is typically built on a small diameter form and the coils can be compressed to the point of touching. It is more efficient in providing even heat distribution to the wick. Micro coils will heat up quickly and glow from inside to outside. The ohms are a function of the length of the wire between the post so I can get more wire contact on the wick at the same length. Look at a stock coil in a clearo and you will laugh it is a couple of loose wraps on a wick and looks like it was done by a kid.

The part I'm not understanding, is what makes a coil a micro? Do you only use cotton with a micro? Not with a reg coil?

I've seen different videos that say "do not let the coils touch each other" then another one that has him squeezing the coil together and torching to make them stick together. Why is that? Is one a micro and the other one not? Is the touching what makes the difference?

I'm trying to figure out WHY I would WANT to make a micro or not. I understand the idea of rebuilding and don't think I'll have any problem doing so. It's the reg/micro differences I don't understand. And the WHY or WHY NOT.

Wires can touch in a micro coil but don't necessarily have to. Coils need to be uniformly specked for best results. Practice makes perfect. I torch my kanthal first to make it less springy while wrapping. YOU WANT TO USE MICRO COILS BECAUSE THEY DONT SUCK.


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[ncpatches]

hmmm I don't know that it makes a difference temperature wise. You will want to build a coil in the ohm range you prefer of course. What you are shooting for is EVEN heating of the coil in either build. If it only partially touches it will not be even.

Seriously try both and run with whichever you prefer.

EDIT: I use pretty much the same coil in all my builds. The diver is the exception as I have yet to make it not leak with cotton.

Great! This has been so helpful for me and I hope others that are new to building, too.

Don't be sorry about asking good questions, if your not sure you should ask. Micro coil are easier to deal with in the aspect of hot spots. Basically the whole coil is a hot spot. If you have already coiled something you may find this method easier. They are more rugged and tons easier to rewick. No tinkering with trying to push coils apart to remove hot spots. The fact they make better vapor is just a added bonus.

I'm all about easier and more durable! Thank you! And since I have issues tasting anything, I'm hoping this will help.

Not sure if this will help with your question patches, but...Micro or regular coil is a preference. With the regular coils, if the coils touch they don't heat as evenly and they may short out resulting in a lower resistance or a very small area for heating the juice, less flavor, less vapor, etc.

IMO, micro coils are much easier to work with and last much longer than regular coils. You may notice that when making micro coils they use a torch to heat the wire while squeezed together, but you can and I do on occasion squeeze the coils together and heat them in a MOD and squeeze them while they are still hot. That will get them 'connected' just as well, without the need for a torch.

You can drive your self crazy (if your not within walking distance ) with different coil builds, but you never know you may find a different coil configuration you like better. I'm kind of stuck on micros.

Side note: Like Myranny said with her post...take with salt for your taste. Thanks for the one that posted the 'no one can drive me crazy'...

Anyone, please feel free to correct me.

Thank you thank you and yes, I am within walking distance!


Last things, so I'm guessing I can use either build that I prefer and can use cotton with any of them. Right?

Would there happen to be a chart somewhere that shows wire gauge with wrap number and ohms rating? Like 28G with 12 wraps micro at 1.8ohms?

I swear I think that is the last of my ???? at least for today.

 

[williegntx]

Riptripper did a video on a 'Diamond' coil. I have that one in the Trident V2 clone and it's a tad better than the micro (IMO), but a whole bunch harder to wick. There is also one he made (Clayton or something like that) where he use 3 feet of kanthal wrapped around .016 guitar wire and of course they (different configurations of coils) are all better than the one before.

 

[1wildman]

Great! This has been so helpful for me and I hope others that are new to building, too.



I'm all about easier and more durable! Thank you! And since I have issues tasting anything, I'm hoping this will help.



Thank you thank you and yes, I am within walking distance!


Last things, so I'm guessing I can use either build that I prefer and can use cotton with any of them. Right?

Would there happen to be a chart somewhere that shows wire gauge with wrap number and ohms rating? Like 28G with 12 wraps micro at 1.8ohms?

I swear I think that is the last of my ???? at least for today.

Search on this site and there is a spreadsheet that calculates coils. I use 5 wraps of 32ga on a 5/64 drill bit for a kanger protank coil and it comes out consistently at 2.1 ohms. Cotton is the easiest to work with. Watch some videos and remember cotton swells so less is more. Do not choke the wicking with too much cotton. The juice travels between the fibers not through them. Keep asking questions. When you learn you can help the next person.


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[PLANofMAN]

Not sure if this will help with your question patches, but...Micro or regular coil is a preference. With the regular coils, if the coils touch they don't heat as evenly and they may short out resulting in a lower resistance or a very small area for heating the juice, less flavor, less vapor, etc.

IMO, micro coils are much easier to work with and last much longer than regular coils. You may notice that when making micro coils they use a torch to heat the wire while squeezed together, but you can and I do on occasion squeeze the coils together and heat them in a MOD and squeeze them while they are still hot. That will get them 'connected' just as well, without the need for a torch.

You can drive your self crazy (if your not within walking distance ) with different coil builds, but you never know you may find a different coil configuration you like better. I'm kind of stuck on micros.

Side note: Like Myranny said with her post...take with salt for your taste. Thanks for the one that posted the 'no one can drive me crazy'...

Anyone, please feel free to correct me.

This is a pretty good answer. See the part I've bolded? It's important to remember when you are building a microcoil on the mod itself, (if you are using the mod to pulse and heat up the coil) to let off the power button before using the tweezers on the coil. You'll short the coil out if you aren't paying attention.

Edit: also, as a side note, if you rebuild ProTank coils (it's easy to do, I recommend anyone considering RBA's to give it a try), don't dry burn them for long periods of time or heat the coil on the mod for a long time while you are building the coil. You can scorch the rubber grommet/insulator, and that will make the taste all funky.

 

[1wildman]

Riptripper did a video on a 'Diamond' coil. I have that one in the Trident V2 clone and it's a tad better than the micro (IMO), but a whole bunch harder to wick. There is also one he made (Clayton or something like that) where he use 3 feet of kanthal wrapped around .016 guitar wire and of course they (different configurations of coils) are all better than the one before.

Clapton coil. As in Eric Clapton since it uses guitar string. I really like rick trippers dragon coil in my drippers.


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[Myrany]

Great! This has been so helpful for me and I hope others that are new to building, too.



I'm all about easier and more durable! Thank you! And since I have issues tasting anything, I'm hoping this will help.



Thank you thank you and yes, I am within walking distance!


Last things, so I'm guessing I can use either build that I prefer and can use cotton with any of them. Right?

Would there happen to be a chart somewhere that shows wire gauge with wrap number and ohms rating? Like 28G with 12 wraps micro at 1.8ohms?

I swear I think that is the last of my ???? at least for today.

no but I do know there are charts that will say something like for x gauge of wire you need a total length of y

wraps are hard to figure since it all sort of depends on what you are wrapping around.

I do 9 wraps of 30 gauge on a 16gauge syringe needle to put me in the 1.2/1.4 range.

 

[williegntx]

I know someone will have a link because there is one...but I just wing it. And like Legolas said, questions are why we are all here. We share and help if we can. Usually someone beats me to it and they have better answers than me anyway.

ncpatches.....Would there happen to be a chart somewhere that shows wire gauge with wrap number and ohms rating? Like 28G with 12 wraps micro at 1.8ohms?

 

[ncpatches]

Micro coils are the only way to go. It is a micro coil because it is typically built on a small diameter form and the coils can be compressed to the point of touching. It is more efficient in providing even heat distribution to the wick. Micro coils will heat up quickly and glow from inside to outside. The ohms are a function of the length of the wire between the post so I can get more wire contact on the wick at the same length. Look at a stock coil in a clearo and you will laugh it is a couple of loose wraps on a wick and looks like it was done by a kid.




Wires can touch in a micro coil but don't necessarily have to. Coils need to be uniformly specked for best results. Practice makes perfect. I torch my kanthal first to make it less springy while wrapping. YOU WANT TO USE MICRO COILS BECAUSE THEY DONT SUCK.


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Ok wait, you added something to the equation, what I wrap the coil ON makes a difference. Like using a 16g needle tip or a 5/16 drill bit, etc?

What do ya'll use for your wrapping tool? I saw a video with a guy using a machine screw, which worked really well if you don't want the wraps to touch.

And I am ignoring the comment about the micros DON'T have to touch. That just complicates things in my brain.

 

[ncpatches]

no but I do know there are charts that will say something like for x gauge of wire you need a total length of y

wraps are hard to figure since it all sort of depends on what you are wrapping around.

I do 9 wraps of 30 gauge on a 16gauge syringe needle to put me in the 1.2/1.4 range.

Would more wraps bring up the ohm level and would I need a smaller gauge wire for that high a wraps? I don't know how many wraps I need for 2.2 ohms. Of course, when I get the Zmax, the ohm level may change. For now, I prefer 2.2.

See? every time I get an answer it raises more questions. I promise I'll have these answers for noobs before long!

 

[Legolas]

Last things, so I'm guessing I can use either build that I prefer and can use cotton with any of them. Right?

Would there happen to be a chart somewhere that shows wire gauge with wrap number and ohms rating? Like 28G with 12 wraps micro at 1.8ohms?

I swear I think that is the last of my ???? at least for today.

Yes there is one I saw yesterday in the forum but I can't find it for the life of me. I bet if you make a thread the poster will repost it for you. If I can find it I'll post it up here

 

[Myrany]

Ok wait, you added something to the equation, what I wrap the coil ON makes a difference. Like using a 16g needle tip or a 5/16 drill bit, etc?

What do ya'll use for your wrapping tool? I saw a video with a guy using a machine screw, which worked really well if you don't want the wraps to touch.

And I am ignoring the comment about the micros DON'T have to touch. That just complicates things in my brain.

What you wrap around changes the diameter of the coils loops. Find what works for YOU. I use a 16 gauge syringe needle mostly because it is what I had to hand. MANY use a drill bit (they are wrapping on the smooth end btw not the cutting end). Since you want a bit higher ohm maybe try Wildmans 5/64th with 32 gauge method.

 

[Myrany]

Would more wraps bring up the ohm level and would I need a smaller gauge wire for that high a wraps? I don't know how many wraps I need for 2.2 ohms. Of course, when I get the Zmax, the ohm level may change. For now, I prefer 2.2.

See? every time I get an answer it raises more questions. I promise I'll have these answers for noobs before long!

Both LOL (not the answer you wanted I know)

Higher gauge wire takes less wraps for a higher ohm.
Larger diameter object to wrap around makes bigger coils which gives you more length to the wire which gives higher ohms.

BTW I wouldn't try rebuilding until you have something to measure the ohms and check for shorts with. The ZMax, a dedicated ohm meter, a multimeter whatever you prefer. Safety first.