Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5
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I've got nothing against cloud chasers, I just think there is a time and a place for everything. When we could still vape here in public places which is now illegal anywhere smoking is I didn't think that was the place.Thanks for not bashing cloud chasers
Herb, I'm so sorry for your losses.
I agree that there are no long term epidemiological studies on vaping. Such studies generally span more than a decade - and they are the only way, really, to determine whether repeated and long term exposure to any substance causes additional DNA mutations. Many diseases rear their ugly head 15, 20 or more years after exposure. Bladder cancer is one such disease: exposure to the carcinogens in cig smoke cause mutations that often don't heal; BC is the end result, some 20 years down the line. Mesothelioma is another outcome of mutations to DNA, often long after exposure. So I get where you're coming from.
Many folks, though, look at vaping as THR (as I believe you do), and willingly accept the reduced risk of vaping over smoking. Having experienced the joy of quitting stinkies, improved lung function, increased stamina, etc., we are loathe to cast even a single dispersion on vaping. We are, perhaps, over sensitive about the subject (which we can only be, given the plethora of anti-vaping rhetoric espoused by so many), and are cautiously optimistic. At least, I am.
I hope you won't take these differences of opinion personally. Absolutes rarely are. And we must all do as we think best for our own health and well-being.
I know you don't, Pat. Somehow, though, I suspect that the zealots would have banned vaping even without cloud chasers... No harm, no foul seems to have gone by the wayside.
Why are you being so confrontational? We are all part of the same conversation here. This is a conversation. It's what we do on The Porches. We don't all have to agree, & differing viewpoints are expected & welcome. It's what composes an interesting conversation. No one has called you by name, @herb, except for me, just now. Just because someone states a different opinion does not mean anyone is picking on you. Put that chip on your shoulder back in your pocket.
o/t-- post hurricane/disaster advice:
if you are offering help,, that seriously really cool.. bring cleaning rags, cleaner/bleach and some of those huge rubbermaid bins.--and your mouth zipped shut. a disaster person wont be thinking logically,, many try to save every thing or items everyone else would never put a value on.......its ok,, just help them collect, clean and pack those items. hopefully you are also able to provide some muscles.. you wouldnt believe how heavy a loveseat full of water & mud weighs.
please dont bring foods,, unless its ready to eat 'right now'.. even then,, rethink that... you see every church and the redcross/govt show up with more food than any one can eat much less store properly. the food becomes a burden to also care for.
if you are the victim of a disaster,, try to accept you cant save everything,,, and thats ok,, because memories last longer than physical items.. it was time for that item to leave your life---this is pretty hard considering you likely had it because it meant something to you.
i had a house full of antiques,, i loved those items... but what did i spend all of my spare moments doing?--i was flipping pages one by one of my son's 'Marine Corp' year book thing,, trying to save a book i had only owned for a few years. there were drawers in dressers and armoires that were so swollen we couldnt open them without an ax. (for insurance photos).
you are going to lose items that never got wet,,its ambient humidity.. we had leather bike jackets that grew incredible amounts of mold just hanging in the closet. --it happens,, again,, grab the camera... take panoramic photos often,, especially when you start getting overwhelmed.,, take them slow and very overlapping. insurance adjusters ask for the oddest photos.. in our case they wanted a pic of our shoes, our guitar and drumset,==thats it,, that is all they wanted. now,, list your items by replacement value... our adjuster broke the law telling us to list at garage sale values. (among other things.. i have to believe karma will get her harshly for her greed & deceit).
when we finally believed we had saved all we could, we put it in a rental storage building.........well a year later we discovered we had been paying rent to store items that molded anyways. --make sure you really want to save that item.
keep in mind that a fire could have taken your stuff just as easily as a hurricane.. and you still wouldnt have this stuff. --to me a fire is the very worst,, i hate fire,, i fear fire.
i am trying to prepare you for major stuff loss,, hopefully you can adjust and be ok. i never cried over losing my stuff... it is what it is.. i will tell you i was quite an angry person at the insurance company for all of the games they played to avoid paying our claim.
if you are offering help,, that seriously really cool.. bring cleaning rags, cleaner/bleach and some of those huge rubbermaid bins.--and your mouth zipped shut. a disaster person wont be thinking logically,, many try to save every thing or items everyone else would never put a value on.......its ok,, just help them collect, clean and pack those items. hopefully you are also able to provide some muscles.. you wouldnt believe how heavy a loveseat full of water & mud weighs.
please dont bring foods,, unless its ready to eat 'right now'.. even then,, rethink that... you see every church and the redcross/govt show up with more food than any one can eat much less store properly. the food becomes a burden to also care for.
if you are the victim of a disaster,, try to accept you cant save everything,,, and thats ok,, because memories last longer than physical items.. it was time for that item to leave your life---this is pretty hard considering you likely had it because it meant something to you.
i had a house full of antiques,, i loved those items... but what did i spend all of my spare moments doing?--i was flipping pages one by one of my son's 'Marine Corp' year book thing,, trying to save a book i had only owned for a few years. there were drawers in dressers and armoires that were so swollen we couldnt open them without an ax. (for insurance photos).
you are going to lose items that never got wet,,its ambient humidity.. we had leather bike jackets that grew incredible amounts of mold just hanging in the closet. --it happens,, again,, grab the camera... take panoramic photos often,, especially when you start getting overwhelmed.,, take them slow and very overlapping. insurance adjusters ask for the oddest photos.. in our case they wanted a pic of our shoes, our guitar and drumset,==thats it,, that is all they wanted. now,, list your items by replacement value... our adjuster broke the law telling us to list at garage sale values. (among other things.. i have to believe karma will get her harshly for her greed & deceit).
when we finally believed we had saved all we could, we put it in a rental storage building.........well a year later we discovered we had been paying rent to store items that molded anyways. --make sure you really want to save that item.
keep in mind that a fire could have taken your stuff just as easily as a hurricane.. and you still wouldnt have this stuff. --to me a fire is the very worst,, i hate fire,, i fear fire.
i am trying to prepare you for major stuff loss,, hopefully you can adjust and be ok. i never cried over losing my stuff... it is what it is.. i will tell you i was quite an angry person at the insurance company for all of the games they played to avoid paying our claim.
All the above applies to moi, plus other benefits!
I do truly respect your stance/choices. But please spare me your continued reservations and...
BTW, I also avoid vapin' 'popcorn', but dat's beside da point at dis point. Truly have no desire to upset you to da point you don't share your knowledge. Let us share what we know as opposed to what we don't! <strains of 'Kumbaya' in da background>
So very well expressed!
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No, i do not vape zero nic , why would i vape zero nic ? I am not one of those people who gets all excited about blowing clouds , i have seen these clouds before , not very exciting.
I am guessing you want to engage me that nicotine is what i should worry about and not diketones but i am not buying it .
Not even worth bringing up actually .
Thanks for your comment , i agree.
Please refrain from referring to me in any way thank you very much , you don't need to be called by name to know when someone is referring to you .
I brought up the "Five Pawns" situation, (just me ) and even you commented that 5P was not worth discussing in a post afterwards . If you think that i will not defend what i said just because you don't refer to me directly think again .
Five Pawns is very worth discussing actually because it's no secret that over 70% of juices out there have diketones & i am not gullible enough to think all of them have levels below that of real cigs .
Studies sampled a one hit ego type device for diketone levels , not sub ohm tanks that drink juice in massive quantities .
Do as you wish .
I agree. Tornadoes are scarier. The sirens. Depending on circumstances, if I have to evacuate for a hurricane, I would either move the chickens, or leave them in pens. It's hard to decide unless you have to.
Same here. I like that I have warning with hurricanes. If we have to evac we pack the bags, cats and chickens (3 and 4) in carriers and off we go.
Yup the front porch is the place to discuss or maybe argue points.
Kross, send me your antiques, I will take good care of them. : )
In 10 years, vapers have learned an immense amount of good information, and we have chosen to educate others about it. We vapers , and especially suppliers have voluntarily jumped up and used child proof caps, wrapping, warnings, ingredients, and warnings on their websites. No one made them do it. It was the right thing to do. As well as all the support on ECF we give and get. We can also freely warn others about carppy suppliers and good suppliers.
Cigarettes and alcohol are the A-1 worst habits to give up. It's a living hell as my kids watched me smoked. I am still in awe of the fact that I quit smoking. Many of us are diehards and nothing else had saved us from smoking until vaping. I do feel great when another newbie joins and quits smoking. There are still so many people out there who will die from smoking, and as long as we're around the chances are good of helping more people join the vaping revolution and live.
We are one of the few who have self policed, warned eachother about harmful chemicals, and preached safe vaping- and it was all done "by the people" with no government involvement. I'll be darned if I let someone including the .gov forbid me from continuing on my path of doing what's right by people who have done right by me. I will not quit contributing. Black Market is okay with me. All the members on this board are worth far more than the risk of not following a bad law by bad people. .Gov is the one who started the lies about e-liquid. We did not.
IMO, I do think that cloud chasers are better than going back to smoking. However, cloud chasers need to accept some responsibility for how we as a group appear to the public. It's been 10 years for some of us . No matter what personal opinions some have, we need to be polite in public. You have to give respect to get it.
Kross, send me your antiques, I will take good care of them. : )
In 10 years, vapers have learned an immense amount of good information, and we have chosen to educate others about it. We vapers , and especially suppliers have voluntarily jumped up and used child proof caps, wrapping, warnings, ingredients, and warnings on their websites. No one made them do it. It was the right thing to do. As well as all the support on ECF we give and get. We can also freely warn others about carppy suppliers and good suppliers.
Cigarettes and alcohol are the A-1 worst habits to give up. It's a living hell as my kids watched me smoked. I am still in awe of the fact that I quit smoking. Many of us are diehards and nothing else had saved us from smoking until vaping. I do feel great when another newbie joins and quits smoking. There are still so many people out there who will die from smoking, and as long as we're around the chances are good of helping more people join the vaping revolution and live.
We are one of the few who have self policed, warned eachother about harmful chemicals, and preached safe vaping- and it was all done "by the people" with no government involvement. I'll be darned if I let someone including the .gov forbid me from continuing on my path of doing what's right by people who have done right by me. I will not quit contributing. Black Market is okay with me. All the members on this board are worth far more than the risk of not following a bad law by bad people. .Gov is the one who started the lies about e-liquid. We did not.
IMO, I do think that cloud chasers are better than going back to smoking. However, cloud chasers need to accept some responsibility for how we as a group appear to the public. It's been 10 years for some of us . No matter what personal opinions some have, we need to be polite in public. You have to give respect to get it.
Put the cats and the chickens in the same cages. Won't have to carry cat food.
I should just put you in a cage with my 9 roosters. Oh wait, they would probably try to feed you if they mistake you for a hen.
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