Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

[seminolewind]

What the hell is this all about everyone is jumping on the bandwagon sort of monkey see monkey do

The landlords should worry more about a Samsung cell phone.
Ever notice that when you smoked , people barely paid you attention. But when you vape they all want to jump on you and pound you and break your mod!

So it's okay to smoke and die of cancer because the FDA has approved cigarettes. But, OMG!!! don't save yourself with vaping!

 

[kross8]

I am still trying to figure out how to cram 30 pet chickens into the garage.

we had a 4 bedroom house of Okie antiques,, most of them are gone now too

wow pet chickens,,, that's a hard one -I suppose I would get a trailer and take them with me when I had too. i grew up on a farm,-we had a small flock,, about 70 chickens , a mean goose and a lame duck,, but it was tornado ally not hurricane harbors.

my family used to freak out about us living in hurricane harbors...i told them the dif:

hurricanes actually warn you when they are coming to town--- like days in advance,, so there is very little reason for loss of life in todays world

tornados on the other hand are like bad in-laws and just show up.

either way you are going to lose,,,hurricane likely impacts more people all at once,, but a tornado is quite brutal to those impacted.

in oklahoma there was a tornado called 'May 3rd' back in 99 i believe,, I worked with a guy whose kid was on his motorcycle and got caught in the storm,, he ended up driving himself to the hospital while holding his guts that had blown out of his side and back due to flying shrapnel--22 year old kid,, dead a horrible death.

we get tornado's too down here,, but they are more shingle thieves than anything else.

watch animals,, i grew up respecting frogs and birds,, lizards & squirrels work too--they tend to 'leave the area' when the weather is just about to get bad. i found only 1 bird the day before Ike,, the day after Ike when we returned home it was dead silence. We were the first people back to our community,, when we made it to the front door, a squirrel came down the tree,, and started chattering,,,'the humans are back,, the coast is clear'..........had to be what he was announcing,, suddenly you could hear the neighborhood critters.

mother nature is every where and she acts up sometimes: tornado's, hurricanes, floods, fires, snow & ice storms,=prepare and respect will go a long ways with her.

 

[Kaezziel]

Great news, Kaezz! Yeah, you have to do all that stuff to let them establish a starting baseline because it's a trial.

Thank you! And, yep... they want to do one full day and two half days of testing before they'll let her start the meds. I'm assuming they'll be doing blood work, CT/MRI, physical exams, and who knows what else... then they'll do it all again after two months on the treatment.

I have in hand your letter of Sept 29, concerning the no smoking policy. I have not smoked for two and a half years. However, due to technicalities, I am now considered a smoker because I vape. If I were to vape a liquid containing no products derived from tobacco, I would still be considered a smoker.


You listed a concern with “increased risk of fire.” People over 60 who vape do not seek adventure. We are generally content with single-battery regulated mods at under 15 watts. The actual risk for battery explosion is negligible under those conditions. Media tends to exploit those situations because the public fears a movement that threatens tobacco-based industry. This is nothing compared to the danger of fire from dropped cigarettes or neglected cooking appliances. If there is a concern about rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, then they should be banned in any application from the property.


Secondly, you listed a concern with the “known health effects of secondhand tobacco smoke.” This is my concern, also. I only recently moved from an environment rife with environmental toxins, and had significant health problems as a result. I understand the problem, and share a disgust with other non-smokers for the smell of burned tobacco. I (nearly) always ask when I want to vape in the presence of others.


Researchers have found no reason for concern about secondhand vapor. Some have found toxic substances, but fail to mention that the concentrations are so low as to pose no risk. (articles included)

1. http://www.treatobacco.net/en/page_528.php

2. http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/whatsnew-2015/226-sp

3. http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/10/ntr.ntt203.short

4. http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140903/e-cigarette-vapor-may-be-less-toxic-than-tobacco-smoke-study


In my own experience, after years of fighting both an anxiety disorder and smoking, I impulsively bought an electronic cigarette at ________. From that day on, I have had no cigarettes, and the smell and thought of smoking has been repulsive. Others have had more difficulty using electronic cigarettes to quit smoking, but “accidental quitting” is frequently seen on https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ Many choose to gradually reduce their nicotine consumption to 0, although I prefer to stay at 3mg/ml.


In sum, I believe that the stated reasons for banning smoking on the property are legitimate when applied to burning tobacco. They have no relevance to the use of “electronic cigarettes, pipes or vaporizers.” Therefore the use of those devices should be exempted from the “No Smoking Policy.”


Sincerely,

Very, very well done! Any comments that I might add to it would end up being counter-productive, so I'd leave it as you have it. I sometimes have a problem holding my tongue...

Hope everyone is safe. Didn't know there was a storm, where's it due to make landfall? Be safe, all.

Due to make landfall along the East Coast... pretty much everywhere between Florida and Virginia from the last forecast that I saw.

I'm vaping a combo of wintergreen, menthol, and Dotcom watermelon. That last costs 20$ for 30 mil, ouch. If I can make my own, yay. Still chain vaping, go through juice at an alarming rate. Vista vapors is the first brand I've seen an ingredients list on. Doesn't really enlighten me on what to avoid in juice.

I mostly use TFA flavors for my DIY, though I am beginning to branch out into some of the other brands of concentrates. I pretty much had to make the switch to DIY when I started going through 10-15mL a day... most of the premixed juice that I used to buy was between $20-30 for 30mL. That was beginning to cost more than cigarettes ever did!

Kaez, hope things go well. Positive thoughts your way.

Thank you very much! Things are starting to look up a bit, so we're trying to remain hopeful that all will go through as expected and that the new meds will have a larger effect than the previous treatments.

You know, I never looked at vaping as a means to quitting altogether. Just a better alternative to 60 smokes a day. If I can wean off the premixed flavours and nicotine, I could cut my costs drastically. No overseas shipping.

I didn't either. Just thought that maybe it was a neat little novelty, but worth a shot... that was seven and a half years ago... still vaping; no longer smoking.

Been dreadfully homesick for the states and my family there, lately. Beautiful as this island is, and au has been good to me, I'm still a bit wistful.

I can completely understand! I only spent about a week in Perth, and another week in Hobart, Tasmania... but I'd absolutely LOVE to visit again. Just don't think I'd like to move there permanently because I'd miss so much from home. It'll be nice for you to come back to the States for a visit.

 

[LittleBird]

Mornin, all!

@Ken_A, welcome back! Busy, busy you've been

@3mg Meniere, Aack! is right! How infuriating! That's a great letter. Let's hope the foolish folk who read it actually do so with an open mind.

@Bea-FL, safe travels! The dogs and I left the SC coast at 4:00 yesterday afternoon and arrived home in VA at 12:30 this morning. I suspect if we had waited until today, that 8 1/2 hour trip would have been 18 1/2 hours! Prayers for those who have already experienced devastation from the storm.

@Vape?, mixing your own juice isn't as complicated as you might think. There are lots of great resources right here on ecf, and of course, on the porches. As well, mistakes aren't at all costly; you can mix up a few mls without nicotine and junk it if it isn't to your liking. Trust me, I have significant, firsthand experience

@Kaezziel, Anything, Kaez. Anything at all.

 

[Kaezziel]

Mornin, all!

@Kaezziel, Anything, Kaez. Anything at all.

And a good morning to our Beautiful L'il Birdy, as well!

Thank you! Just hanging in as best we can right now and trying to get caught up on a mountain of paperwork here at work that I have to get done today... wanna come help with that? For some reason, the policy has changed (again), and now I have to write 24 identical Quality Notifications. Used to be able to just attach the individual serial numbers to one QN that covered them all... somehow, they consider this new policy to be more efficient.

 

[Ken_A]

Hope everyone is safe. Didn't know there was a storm, where's it due to make landfall? Be safe, all.
...

. A hurricane coming to visit the east coast. No landfall, but a close pass. I'm a bit in from the coast, and these homes were built well, so I just make sure my batteries are charged, and settle in to read a book or three.
Nothing like a nice vape, a glass of something tasty, and a good light show.

Ken ... so good to see you back. I guess you haven't had much time for your 3D-printing either eh?

none at all. Haven't even had time to design anything.

 

[herb]

Mary, is there anything 'we' can do to assist you? And some 'sheeple' wonder why other folk go 'over da edge'...




Sweetheart, I intentionally didn't edit/crop your post due to your earnest, truthful and sage advice!

For anyone within da 'cone, da center is your best hope (unless you're on da 'line'). But how many predictions have been 100%? Prep now, if not yesterday!!!




herb, if I may, have several questions fer ya:

- How old are you?
- What DIY flavs do you vape?
- Can you document the diff twix your concerns and reality re 'Five pawns' <btw, never used 'em>?
- Have you personally had detrimental health issues re da above line items?

Seriously, I'm not out to bust any balls. BUT, you're not in da n00bies forum either! If you have personal adverse medical documentation, PLEASE share!!

I would bet i'm older than most on here and as i said a million freaking times already over the years , documented proof is not available at this time , it will be in the future .


The whole "Five Pawns" thing was discussed in depth in the past . Do as you wish , to each their own .

 

[Iffy]

Just a quick drive by... been nose on monitor following Matthew all morn.

Looks like da east coast will be heavily impacted from Fla up thru Charleston. There's even a chance he will loop back to Fla next week!

PLEASE, for those in his path, either evacuate ASAP or really hunker down!!! Be prepared, be safe...

 

[Kaezziel]

Just a quick drive by... been nose on monitor following Matthew all morn.

Looks like da east coast will be heavily impacted from Fla up thru Charleston. There's even a chance he will loop back to Fla next week!

PLEASE, for those in his path, either evacuate ASAP or really hunker down!!! Be prepared, be safe...

And you just stay outta da "office"! Y'all stay safe over there, okay... we're worried about y'all over there, and we're prayin' hard that things will be as uneventful as possible!

 

[Iffy]

And you just stay outta da "office"! Y'all stay safe over there, okay... we're worried about y'all over there, and we're prayin' hard that things will be as uneventful as possible!

Being on da south side of Tampa Bay (west coast), we'll probably just get a few rain bands and stiff breezes. I'm more concerned 'bout our porchers on/near da other coast!

 

[Kaezziel]

Being on da south side of Tampa Bay (west coast), we'll probably just get a few rain bands and stiff breezes. I'm more concerned 'bout our porchers on/near da other coast!

Ahhhh... didn't realize that you were on da Gulf side. Definitely worried 'bout all da Atlantic-side folks. Last I heard, it was starting to weaken a bit, but still strong enough to cause significant damage... particularly to the areas closest to da coast. Either way... prayers for all who are anywhere near the path!

 

[medleypat]

I don't post on here very much but do read everything. Just decided after reading some post to put my two cents in. People say all the time that there is no evidence on the long term effects of vaping but I see and hear about people that have been gaping for up to ten years with no I'll effects just improvements. I know that's not very long but I feel if vaping was that bad we would have heard of atlest some bad effects but all I see and hear are good things. And every new report I see done right are favorable. Some people keep using data from last year to support their position and then say no reports. Just read one that was published 10/04/2016 that shows second hand vape had very little chemicals in it mostly VG/pg don't know how to link to it or I would. Done with rant just wish people would use current data and stop using outdated information people come here looking for information we need to make sure we are giving current information or state it is an opinion.

 

[Kaezziel]

I don't post on here very much but do read everything. Just decided after reading some post to put my two cents in. People say all the time that there is no evidence on the long term effects of vaping but I see and hear about people that have been gaping for up to ten years with no I'll effects just improvements. I know that's not very long but I feel if vaping was that bad we would have heard of atlest some bad effects but all I see and hear are good things. And every new report I see done right are favorable. Some people keep using data from last year to support their position and then say no reports. Just read one that was published 10/04/2016 that shows second hand vape had very little chemicals in it mostly VG/pg don't know how to link to it or I would. Done with rant just wish people would use current data and stop using outdated information people come here looking for information we need to make sure we are giving current information or state it is an opinion.

I assume that by "long-term" they mean 20+ years, but that's a complete guess on my part... as for me, I'll stick with anecdotal and firsthand experience. In 7 1/2 years of vaping, I've noticed no negative effects, and neither has my doctor. All of my blood work and physical exams show increased health, and my lungs now sound as if I had never smoked. I don't know what a CT or MRI would show, but I'm extremely happy to no longer have that 'rattle' in my chest!

 

[DancingHeretik]

Hadn't realized I've been gone so long. I took a couple of weeks off of ECF, then had a couple of emergency projects at work, then Obduction came out, and I was concentrating on that.

It's about time! So glad to see you back!

 

[DancingHeretik]

I'm having a little trouble communicating right now. And, the politics upsets me to no end. But, just a couple of comments.

So far as the health risks/benefits. We all know the truth. There are GOOD studies and studies that any judge would throw out as incompetent/corrupt.

So far as cloud chasers ruining everything. I think the FDA has more to do with it than anything else, by far. Not just the lies either. Remember how all the dangerously stupid new members disappeared from ECF right about the time the FDA admitted they had been using spies on message boards?

 

[garyoa1]

I'm having a little trouble communicating right now. And, the politics upsets me to no end. But, just a couple of comments.

So far as the health risks/benefits. We all know the truth. There are GOOD studies and studies that any judge would throw out as incompetent/corrupt.

So far as cloud chasers ruining everything. I think the FDA has more to do with it than anything else, by far. Not just the lies either. Remember how all the dangerously stupid new members disappeared from ECF right about the time the FDA admitted they had been using spies on message boards?

Nah. Couldn't be on the boardz. They'd lern sumtin!

 

[LittleBird]

Being on da south side of Tampa Bay (west coast), we'll probably just get a few rain bands and stiff breezes. I'm more concerned 'bout our porchers on/near da other coast!

Our little island community off St Helena Island, SC was evacuated, this morning, along with pretty much the entire SC coast. We're a tad more to the east than FL's east coast - pretty much in line with Charleston. I hope no one decided to ignore the evacuation order. The island will be closed (bridge gate down) until the storm is past -- no one in or out.

On the subject of vaping safety -- I don't know what to think, very long term. Undoubtedly, someone will determine something at some point in time; lungs seem to prefer air over all else. That said, I know that my lungs far prefer vapor to cig smoke. So does my skin. And my bladder. And my doctors. Guess I'll stick with it!

 

[Kenna]

I don't post on here very much but do read everything. Just decided after reading some post to put my two cents in. People say all the time that there is no evidence on the long term effects of vaping but I see and hear about people that have been gaping for up to ten years with no I'll effects just improvements. I know that's not very long but I feel if vaping was that bad we would have heard of atlest some bad effects but all I see and hear are good things. And every new report I see done right are favorable. Some people keep using data from last year to support their position and then say no reports. Just read one that was published 10/04/2016 that shows second hand vape had very little chemicals in it mostly VG/pg don't know how to link to it or I would. Done with rant just wish people would use current data and stop using outdated information people come here looking for information we need to make sure we are giving current information or state it is an opinion.

Amen. It seems to me that effects of vaping would begin to show as quickly as the effects of tobacco began to appear. And possibly, by doing something as equally bad as smoking, people would get worse & evidence additional symptoms. But instead sense of smell & taste return very quickly, breathing becomes easier, & hacking & coughing disappear. Those are just examples. We have reports of copd disappearing, bp going down, & xrays & ct scans showing lung improvement.
I'm not on the diketone band wagon. I know I feel so much better, along with many other positive results, that I'm not going to worry about it much.
And I think continuing to beat the 5P horse after they were called out, admitted they'd lied, & made corrections needs to stop.
All of the above is my personal opinion fwiw.

 

[LittleBird]

@DancingHeretik,

How dense am I? Until you just now said it, I hadn't made the connection between not very bright noobs and FDA interlopers!

Thanks for not bashing cloud chasers

@Kenna, I'm not worrying too much, either. Mostly I use FlavourArt, which supposedly has no known bad stuff in it. But the Inw custard definitely has earned a place in my recipes -- and it's so good that there must be AP in there! Anywho, I've got one or two other things that occupy my worry quotient...

 

[herb]

Done with rant just wish people would use current data and stop using outdated information people come here looking for information we need to make sure we are giving current information or state it is an opinion.

As long as you were not referring to me thats fine but if you were i will say once again , THERE IS NO RELEVANT PAST OR CURRENT DATA !!!

I avoid all juices with diketones in them because thats my choice , there is great e juice that contains them and great e juice that does not contain them .

I have had 4 family members die of respiratory issues , i avoid all known irritants .


Vape whatever you want but please spare me the "some people go on this or go on that information " stuff . I have made my choice and others have made theirs.

Move on .